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Old 11-03-2002, 09:39 PM
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This may be a dumb question to all you electronics gurus out there, but I was wondering what makes the LED light go from red to green when the car is being charged? Is it timing, or some form of measurement of the battery's charge?

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Old 11-04-2002, 10:18 PM
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OK...let's try this again...

Breaking this controller charging circuit down...it seems as if the charge time is made up of R19/C15 (OK...I learned what those are, resistor and capacitor). So if I put a 150 mAH battery in there, the charger will charge it correctly, even with the extra 50 mA, right? It would just take longer, correct?

Help me out here, please????
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Old 11-04-2002, 10:45 PM
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hm.. when i read this topic i was thinking something differently that brings a strange thought to mind:
you guys know how people decorate their cpu cases with transparent windows and colored lights inside? anyone every think of doing that with your zz controller to pimp up its appearance? sounds like an idea to me =P
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Old 11-05-2002, 09:53 PM
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Hum. Good queston.

If wrong just jump in guys:
{and I have been known to be wrong ;D}

The LED on the controller actualy has two LED inside. One green and one red. Both have a common end tied together with the negative ends seperate.

The Green is basically set to light at 3v to possibly around 2.5 volts. Have not figure out the current limiting resistor and limit it will glow at. Basically its across the battery after the power switch. Acts like a voltmeter.

The Red LED is set the same but tied into the charging circuit and in effect when not charging the circuit raises the Red LED line about a "ground" level.

When the trigger detect a low battery it flips one transistor to allow current to flow to the car. Since this is really pulling a lot of current { 700ma+ } it hard to describe but the voltage from the battery drops. This level is below what will excite the green LED but when the charge circuit cut in the transistor that feeds current to the car "grounds" the red LED and there is enough voltage to excite the RED led.

When the timer ticks off 45 seconds or you remove the car before time. It cuts off the current to the car allowing the voltage of the battires to return to normal level, lifts the ground end of the red LED about ground. Since voltage is back up to normal the green LED has enough voltage to glow.

Its kind of like a car in cold weather cranking a cold motor. If you dont crank the car { 1:1 scale size guys and gals } you proabbly could run the headlights and other items. But crank the car your pulling 10% more power. The voltage drops while the battry is producing requested current. Lights dim { voltage potential drops } while the started is pulling max load.

The secmatic can be found by using the FCC ID number on the back of the controller and typing it in at the FCC.gov site.

Did that help?
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Old 11-05-2002, 10:16 PM
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Yes, that did help Nightwing, and thanks!!!

I've got the schematic in front of me, and I see the diode controlling the current flow.

The thing I wasn't sure about was whether the charge time (R19/C15) was a true function of time, or whether it is a function of the charge on the battery (i.e. once the battery can't take any more charge, it would flip the transistor off).
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Old 11-05-2002, 11:22 PM
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BTW...how did you get the 700ma measurement?
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Old 11-06-2002, 01:05 AM
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If you mean the Diode D6 I think its just dropping .5 volts along with the resistor R10.

Have not had dug into it since I am using what little spare time I got working on creating a circuit diagram for the receiver in the car. There are none avaiable for this section.

I think its acting like a timer and a lock untill the car is removed but have not verified this thinking.

Oh. Feed 2.85v from a bench supply with a 1amp current meter in line. Its around 750ma.
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Old 11-06-2002, 08:24 PM
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Thanks for the info NW.

My measurements suffer from these things...
1. Since I don't have a bench supply, I used the actual charger circuits themselves.
2. The batteries were low
3. The jumpers I used may have had too much resistance when I used them in placing my MM in series.

These could all be a part of my amazing learning experience here on this board (I feel like a kid again with these things, but my wife and kids are starting to miss me).

Old batteries: 445 mA
New batteries: 537 mA

What I eventually want to do is whatever battery mod I place in the car, I want the charger to be smart enough to know when to stop charging, instead of charging for n seconds. Tall order, but a pet peeve.

I have seen some excellent charging ideas on this board, but none seem to solve the "exact charging amount".

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I will report back if I discover anything (or when the divorce comes through )
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Old 11-06-2002, 08:54 PM
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Farelly easy to do these days. There is a company called Maxim and they are heavy into simple IC charging chips as my PS friend says.

There site is here:
http://www.maxim-ic.com/PowerSupplies.cfm

You will need to do some digging but they have the chips to do proabbly exactly what you want.

When I ask a while back of his oppion on part of the charging circuit he said to look at the MAX712 \ 713 & 714. They have a lot of charging circuit designed.

Good luck!
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Old 11-07-2002, 08:20 PM
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Thank you...your help on these electrical matters is tremendously welcome (jeez, after getting these cars, I am ready to dump my DBA job and become an EE )
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