Toyota bB hits the US shores! - Page 10

nrmcj · #**136** 05-17-2003, 02:26 PM

ahh... hmmm, i guess the v2's more bs than it is real... hell, i dunno.. i died on physics last year

LOL spoon engine! hehehe ^___^ ahh.. like bluemax said, spoon's a tuning company... they're affiliated with PE tuning i think... (not sure tho)... but all the Spoon racing hondas have that crane on them, and woohoo! PE tuning just opened a shop in edmonton! still gotta figure out how to get there tho..

**sigh** F&F... i'll go watch it just for the cars, and probably even buy it, but it pisses me off.. whoever sees it think's they can race their mom's echo or lancer or whatever...

. on top of that, anyone with a riced out car already, or intends to rice out a car is labeled as a wannabe... that REALLY makes me mad, cuz asians were the ones that started the whole **import** performance business, as well as ricing out cars and dropping them onto the ground, but now we're gonna be stuck with the wannabe image... oooo that makes me mad >=(. anyone else feel this way...? of course all the people with cars that PERFORM (im lookin at bluemax) wont have to deal with it, cuz he can smoke anyone who talks, but **sigh**... still...

bluemax_1 · #**137** 05-17-2003, 02:59 PM

Pie! PE as in the Japanese company Power Enterprise is opening up a shop in Canada?!!! Damn! They don't even have a shop here in the US yet, that I'm aware of! thought I was one of the few people who even knew of the company outside of Japan. Their turbos are fantastic. They have modified IHI ball bearing turbos that have incredible flow maps. With most turbos, you have to compromise, for good range, you lose top end power, and for high hp, you lose midrange power and torque. PE turbos have an incredibly broad flow map at practically all rpm ranges.

When I get the chance, that's what I'll be putting into my car soon, but until now, I had to import them directly from Japan and the turbos alone w/o shipping charges run about $2000. The great thing about the PE turbos is that I can use 2 smaller turbos that spool practically instantly so there's no lag even down at 2000-2500rpm, but they will flow enough air for high hp at 7000-8000rpm. There really aren't too many turbos available in the US that can do that. IHI developed turbos for F1 back in the 80's when turbocharged engines were still allowed in F1 and managed to push 1000hp out of a small displacement Honda engine! PE mods IHI turbos for street racing. maybe they'll open a shop/have opened a shop in the US!

Pity they don't make their F1 black metal bearings for my car.

ShadowMage · #**138** 05-18-2003, 09:59 PM

hehe no actually I had heard of spoon before FnF but FnF just sort of ticked me off that I didn't know...LOL so I did a search for about a week and (for some reason) couldn't find ANY info on spoon so just gave up. It's still been an annoyance at the back of my head, so I figured I'd ask the experts sort of speak.

Anywho thanks for removing the annoyance. LOL

strakka · #**139** 05-18-2003, 10:14 PM

woot! woot! im not the only one that thinks FF ruined alot of things!

i find that FF just made a street racing look ugly... now ppl like pie are lables wannabes... and ppl like max are ...uh.... well.... i dont know about you max but whenever i start talking about cars to my friends im lables as an outcast... they say i know to much about cars to be real... and im probly making most of it up...

now for more good laughs...

you remember i told you about that guy who said he had a R34 Vspec?? well now he says his neighbour has an 22B...lol.. he kept ranting on about it... but all he said was lies... everything was wrong... said there was no widebody convert. wasnt limited, blah balh blah... i truely do wonder about the intelligence of white riceboys... see most azn riceboys now they have come up to some one that know what hes talking about... but white ricers... they think theyre the kings of everything... theyre never humble...

and pie, when i said i though it was a 22B in TO the other week, it wasnt... no widebody... and the vent or whatever you call it.. the big bump in the center of the hood (lol) wasnt split in half...oh wells...

nrmcj · #**140** 05-18-2003, 10:36 PM

hmmm, bluemax, i know it's called PE tuning, but... well the power i know is there for sure, but enterprise, i cant be absolute 100%... (extreme... maybe?)

but in anycase, i'll find the site for you... sometime... i DO know they carry a Lot of good stuff.. ralliart's friend just got some tien coilovers for his prelude there... (weird, it's pronounced "tane"..)

hmm these turbos... i know there's a lot of trade-off between high end power and low end response, but... how can it be fixed..? is there something smoother than ball-bearing turbos? if you can stuff two under the hood, why not go for a small, quick spooling one, and a bigger, more powerful one for high end? (or would this cause the smaller turbo to burn itsself out..?)
well, in any case, i'll look into it... see if it really is power enterprises..

=) strakka get some more friends who know stuff... talkin cars with people who dont know just isnt fun.. hehe, bump.. it's a hoodscoop

strakka · #**141** 05-18-2003, 10:43 PM

lol... hood scope lol.... uh... i knew that lol

yeah, id like to find more street racing friends... but here in TO the gray area Between riceboy and regular driver is very thin... IE we street racers are a rare type here lol... even though im not a street racer... theres not much else i can be classified under...lol....

anyone watch simpsons season finale? i was going to but there was church cell group... so my mom wouldnt let me watch it infront of little eyes and ears...lol... all i could make of it was that moe was like maggies godfather???

bluemax_1 · #**142** 05-19-2003, 03:02 AM

Since my last post, I've since found out that there are a few shops now in the US that stock some Power Enterprise (no 's' at the end) parts. They have some of the turbos I was looking at but they haven't got the belt for my car and it's a pity PE doesn't even make the F1 black metal bearings for my engine even though they have them for the 2JZ, 4AG, SR20DET and 4G63.

And Pie, there are 2 ways to twin turbocharge a car. One is sequentially and the other is for the different banks. If I remember correctly, porsche 911Turbos use sequential twin KKK turbos. One spools faster for quicker response and practically no lag and as more boost is needed, the second turbo starts to kick in and take over. I know for a fact that this is the kind of setup in the FD3S twin turbo. That's why the FD3S in stock configuration has a somewhat weird boost pattern. The changeover between the turbos is not as smooth as in a 911Turbo.

In my car however with the V6 engine, the turbos each boost off one bank of cylinders simultaneously. It's a less complicated setup. I think the MkIV Supra Turbo being an inline-6 is another car that uses twin sequentials and that's one of the reasons why a lot of people who mod Supras end up going to a big single turbo. Removes the complication of the sequential turbos, but they tend to lose a little in the lower ranges. The VG30DETT in the 300ZX though is also a V6 and it has a similar setup to the VR-4.

The turbos I was looking at from PE were the 1420 and 1820. All depends on how much power I want to ultimately make, but I believe they're modified IHI RHF5 and RHF55 turbos. The ball bearing centers make the turbo spool much faster than a non ball-bearing turbo and PE modified the wheels so they have a much better range. As I said, the flow maps are very impressive. IHI VF22s using the RHF55 wheel are used on the Subaru WRC car, and with the 34mm inlet restrictor can still push about 300+hp on just one VF22 turbo with the EJ20 boxer-4 2.0liter. Heard they can push 400+ out of that small engine w/o the restrictor. Need all new manifolds to be able to fit on my engine though.

ShadowMage · #**143** 05-19-2003, 04:16 AM

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Originally posted by strakka
i truely do wonder about the intelligence of white riceboys... see most azn riceboys now they have come up to some one that know what hes talking about... but white ricers... they think theyre the kings of everything... theyre never humble...

ummmmmm....ouch...I consider myself a bit of riceboy...and I'm white. hehe But then you were venting your feelings about your friend.

LOL maybe you need to just keep a tape recorder with you at all times and record your conversations with him. Then you can strip'em to a wav file and give others some enjoyment.

anyway...hey, max, the power enterprise you're talking about, is this their home page:

http://www.power-enterprise.co.jp/

If so, then I am stoked! They make a supercharger for the Toyota bB! Woohoo! PE300 is the model # for it. Though it does have a hefty price of about 3000 dollars. But according to their page it produces more max HP than the Greddy bolt on turbo. Ugh...time to save more pennies. hmmmmm.....speaking of turbos and superchargers....probably a dumb question but...Which of the two produce more torque? Or does this again go back to how fast the turbine is capable of spinning (i.e. belt or exhaust)?

takumi_drifto · #**144** 05-19-2003, 10:21 AM

anyone play tokyo extreme racer zero ps2? they got the bB in it, its one of the hidden cars you can open through racing the other dudes.. it appears around the middle of the game, and they even have a special chopped version, where it looks like the truck... kinda like the bB open deck bit.

ShadowMage · #**145** 05-19-2003, 10:43 AM

yeah I have that game. hehe I haven't played it in a while though...when I left off I had a really nice CRX. Didn't get very far though...obviously not far enough to get the bB. But now that I've been made aware of it I will *definitely* have to pick it back up! hmmm...just out of curiosity is it the bB with 1.3 L or 1.5 L engine? Oh and is it AWD or FWD? hehe Or I guess I could just find out for myself!

Anywho thanks for the info! You've given me a new reason to pick that game back up!

bluemax_1 · #**146** 05-19-2003, 04:27 PM

Shadowmage, that is the Power Enterprise I was talking about. as for superchargers, turbochargers and torque, it depends on how much power you want to ulitmately push out of the engine. There are also 2 kinds of superchargers. Centrifugal and roots type. Centrifugal superchargers look like the compressor half of a turbocharger while Roots blowers look quite different. Generally, roots blowers are good if you don't want much boost or a whole lot of hp. Centrifugal types are better if you want more power, but they're both still limited in the amount of boost they push. 4psi - 10psi is about the general range.

Superchargers in general tend to have a much flatter torque curve because they're driven directly, so the response is immediate. It just feels like you've got a bigger displacement engine. Small turbos though, spool very quickly and these days, if you're not looking for huge power, small turbos can spool quick enough that there's pretty much zero lag. As far as which one produces MORE torque, it depends on the design and how much power you want to make. As I mentioned, superchargers have a flatter torque curve so they have a nice wide powerband and don't need high revs to make power, but small fast spooling turbos these days will do the same. The difference only comes into play when you're looking at significantly higher than stock hp.

The Toyota bB comes with a 1.3 0r 1.5L engine. You won't really need to flow that much air into it since the displacement is so small. You're not going to be making huge hp with this engine so a supercharger should work pretty well. PE does make really good performance stuff so if they've got a supercharger for it that produces more power than the Greddy, you'll probably end up with more power and torque throughout the rpm range as well. I think PE superchargers are probably centrifugal type. Roots type blowers are more common in the US than in other countries. Vortech has centrifugal superchargers if you want to look it up, and Jackson Racing has Roots type superchargers that I think are made by Eaton.

ShadowMage · #**147** 05-19-2003, 05:36 PM

http://www.power-enterprise.co.jp/ex...00sc/index.htm

That's the link to the supercharger they make.

Awesome, thanks for the info (again), max. And yes the PE supercharger is centrifugal as you said. Looks like I've got more info to start reading on as well. LOL Anywho, I just hope I can find someone here in the states that'll carry the PE300. Definitely gonna save the pennies for this upgrade! Thanks again!

takumi_drifto · #**148** 05-19-2003, 06:05 PM

from where u are, its going to take quite a bit more of time to get to the bB..

well the stats on the regular bB in the game is 110hp, FF, inline 4 cyl...

The custom bB truck, that has fire flames... it looks pretty sick has 220hp, MR, inline 4..

yea i recently restarted the game after beating it.. this time with gameshark just to have more cash options.. lol and its easier..

takumi_drifto · #**149** 05-19-2003, 06:53 PM

just got the bB after 30 minutes of playing... lol im going to play with it a little now....

ill try and get pics if they come out clean.

ShadowMage · #**150** 05-20-2003, 06:52 PM

sweet! please do if you can! I would like to see it. I can't seem to find any screenshots of it online anywhere. *sigh* And unfortunately I haven't had time to pick the game backup. I've been kinda busy...