simple intercooler add on look-a-like

[boostmonger]

dustn:i'm sorry you are correct.i had it backwards.it's charles law that states that.but, most of the heat is generated by the exhaust wheel, not quite as much from compressing the air.i do believe though that i am going to remove myself from this argument because it will go nowhere.

[Silent_NightR34]

um...isn't this sapossed to be about intercoolers with bits???o well ....i got an idea if u dont want to cut off the side of the stapels or if its to hard...al u have to do is bend them in...it pops out about the perfect lenth...here my skyline and lancer with it

[tinyrc]

P.S. How about a mod split this thread so all this bs with hiero goes to an off-topic forum.

Done!

[Moto freak]

God dam don't have a frekin cow. why in the hell dose this matter so dam much do yal have noting better to argue about.
I dont see why you all have so much pride in little ****ty cars.
HONDA only makes good Motorcycles most of there cars look ****y

Just my 2 cents! i think my dirt bike would have you off the line if i put a slick on the back you would proboly only have me after 20 ft
lol

First of all, Hiero, what you are saying is that any one should bring their car and race you and you would win, I dont think so. Ok so your civic has over 300 hp. What if my Camaro SS had 450 hp? Yes i know im not a dumdum, power-to-weight ratio. But if you say your car is so light, then you would do the 0-60 in less than 4 seconds (got this from comparing a 1995 RX-7's 0-60 in 4.9 secs and it 'only' has 255 HP and weighs 2,694 lbs.) which is highly unlikely. I mean it could be possible if you were filthy rich and believe in spending more than $8,000 on a car that was made for economy and not strictly racing or speed. I seriously doubt that your car weighs much less than 2,000 lbs. like you say. If you have proof then I will stand corrected, but it just seems like you would have to take off the doors, the roof, and the hood for it to even be remotely as light as you say. Sorry to intrude on this Bit char-g topic I just had to vent. By the Way the new mini cooper weighs in at a healthy 2513 lbs.

And yes Moto-Freak I wouldnt be surprised if your dirtbike had him for more than that. How much CC is it? My uncle has a 650 Suzuki. He pulls wheelies with ease

[ZipZap "SS"]

[a few points of interest:
1.an intercooler, is called an intercooler, because it cools the air from the turbo to the throttle body without it escaping to open air.thus it cools it internally within the piping from turbo to the throttle body.]

Ummmm...when I worked on 16V92T Detroits we always called the cooler between the 4 turboes and the 2 superchargers "intercoolers", and the coolers between the 2 superchargers and the manifold "aftercoolers."


2.as you compress any gas as you will learn in physics, or chemistry class someday, the gas itself becomes colder.eventually under a certain pressure which differs for different gases it will become a liquid.thus nitrous oxide while compressed in a bottle at 1100psi is actually a liquid, not a gas.it only becomes a gas again when it is depressurized into the atmosphere.

Actually, when you compress gas it gets hotter. When you depressurize it, it gets colder. If it didn't, the refrigeration industry as we know it wouldn't be.


3.an intercooler works just like a radiator, only air is running through it instead of antifreeze.

Agreed.


4.the only reason you really need to use an intercooler, is because of the heat created, when the bearings of the center housing are spinning at a high boost level, they are traveling at an average of over 100,000 rpm.thus, the heat from the exhaust gases driving the turbo, and the heat from these bearings transfer to the intake side of the turbo housing.exhaust gas temperature(egt) during boost can reach as high as 1800 degrees farenheit.so imagine blowing air through a steel tube that is being heated with blowtorches to 1800 degrees.the air coming out of the tube, will be much hotter than the air going in.

Uhhhhh...ok...so turboes operate really hot. But what about roots huffers that don't spin at 100,000 rpms, and don't have exhaust going into them? Compressing air makes it hotter...


5.who is GREEDY?greddy makes 1 turbo kit for that year civic.

OK, but what do you need a kit for anyways? Check out the Yahoo! group Junk yard turbo sometime...


6.zex, makes 1 nitrous kit.that's all.no stages.that's something you kids have learned from gran turismo.

I dunno...don't use or follow nitrous that much.

7.what in the hell is a FART ecu?

Dunno.


8.if this 240 did exist, it would eat said honda for breakfast.i have been working with my buddy on his 98 240 with an sr swap for two years.no idea how much horespower it makes, but it has an apexi boost controller, afc, and turbo timer, nismo 425cc injectors, t25 garrett turbo rebuilt by majestic trubo with a 50 trim wheel, custom made intercooler, greddy type s blowoff valve, custom made intercooler pipes, trust radiator, trust 3"downpipe, apexi n1 3" cat back exhaust, tein HA coilover suspension, and kaaz limited slip diff. w/75mm axles.there isn't a street legal v-8 around here that wil touch it.

Maybe around there...but I know some street legal V8's in Chicago and Denver that would eat that alive (not dissing all that work...I'm just saying don't be too ****y...as they say in Episode I "there's always a bigger fish.")


9.trust me, my best friend owns an import performance shop www.sevenspeed.com

Good for you...or I guess more likely your friend...I've worked on engines that range in size from Cox glow engines to Fairbanks Morse Opposed piston 38A20's that put out 1500 HP per cylinder (and there are 20 cylinders). I've toyed with blown engines, turboed engines, (not much NOS though...), bored engines, stroked engines, carbed engines, fuel injected engines, gasoline engines, nat gas engines, LPG engines, diesel engines, and a bunch more.

Chris

[vdo_game_junkie]

Hey Chris, sounds like you've been around engines for awhile. Too bad you didn't live in Cali, could have used some help scoping out this Pro Street '67 Chevy Nova. I don't know too much about Detroit muscle (not that I know that much about import motors either, but just a little more).

BTW, that staple idea for that intercooler look is great!

[ZipZap "SS"]

He he he...I've played with them a bit...used to be an electrical gen-set technician. Saw all sorts in that job from little two strokers, up to the big FM engines I was telling you about. It was a fun job. Now I get to sit in front of a set of plans and estimate concrete amounts all day...sigh...need to get working on the CopCar again, and get her going...need some hands on engine work in my life!

By the by...have fun with the Detroit muscle...nothing against imports...I just love the rumble of an all-American V8. Can't beat it!

Chris

[xxspeednplayaxx]

OK FIRST OF ALL LIKE THAT SILENT NIGHT GUY POINTED OUT THIS IS ABOUT BITS AND LIL CARS.

SECOND ILL TAKE ON BOTH UR CRAPPY RICERS 320HP??? ILL RAPE DA **** OUTA U! I JUST POPED 8,000 IN MY 2003 MUSTANG COBRA. WITH OUT NOS THE ENGINE PUTS OUT 500+ HP AND WIT NOS AT LEAST 600 IF U WANT DYNO SHEETS EMAIL ME UNTIL DEN KNOW UR ROLE AND SHUT UR MOUTH

[striderpunk]

the internet is for people to come together and idiots to brag about what they dont have

[nrmcj]

wow... this thread has gone hella out of hand.... i'd post a pic of my celi w/ staple intercooler, but i'd get flamed down by someone...

heh, just to say... after reading this, i learned how an intercooler really works... and also, is there ever any use for an intercooler on a car WITHOUT turbo? cuz i seen show celis (specifically the red one with a blitz body kit) with an intercooler...

aaaand... hwoever you are with that blue celi.... nice car, nice rims... lower it a little to cut down the wheel gap and it looks great!

[Hipcrostino]

the real resin the intercooler exists (or aftercooler of you like) is to increase air dencity. this is a result of cooling mind, and yes compressing air dose heat it up, the bearings do add heat but its additional heat, what you mean is that the shape of a turbo or centrifigal supercharger is more thermal effishent than other ways of compressing. so it dose add heat, but not as much as say a roots supercharger. and quite your bitching, plz excuse the spelling.

[blacksabbath070]

haha just by reading this whole thread I can see who's the more mature of the people who have responded.

"the internet is for people to come together and idiots to brag about what they dont have"- Striderpunk

yea that seems to be the case in this thread. If you people have the car then take pictures of it.

The Ideal Gas Law. In short, gas temperature, pressure, and
volume are all related. Compress a gas (reduce the volume) and pressure and temperature goes up. Let it expand, and temperature and pressure go down. Increase the temperature, and the pressure goes up (in an enclosed space) or the volume goes up (it expands).

all of you who are saying "I have a turbo'd Honda blah blah blah" need to grow up.

Also, for those of you saying you have a turbo'd and nitrous system on your car and "street" race are idiots. I dont think i'd every have a heavily modified car like that without the following:

1. stronger pistons that wont melt uder extreme heat (trust me
thats not hard to do, my eclipse has a hole in the piston).
2. different camshaft for racing.
3. high flowing air filter
4. boost controller
5. better flowing exhaust system (that includes muffle, downpipe, catalytic converter, and 02 sensor housing.) exhaust and intake and really choke a bigger turbo.
6. high flow fuel pump
7. performance clutch
8. fuel controller and management system
9. bigger injectors.


And my last comment is street racing is a very stupid and dangerous thing to do. Anyone who is smart and has a car would realize that there is a difference between movies and real life. Not only can you get a ticket, but you can end up in jail. you can also seriously wreck your vehicle. If you really had a finely tuned car you would NEVER want to race it on streets. Unlike a very stupid movie that I will not name in real life theres pot holes, traffic, and alot more police. So for the person who said that they "street" race I hope they meant on a real 1/4 mile

someone in this thread has been watching too many movies.