Crappy Imports At The Theatre - Page 7

Scientist · #91 03-02-2004, 12:07 AM

ok....not all CART...which is F1 cars run V10s...

Nissan and Toyota run 2.0 litre 4 cylinder engines makin about 800HP so they can have perfect balance in the car...

jus look for the Top Secret 3S-GTE Supra if u don't believe me

and i agree with the point that stop light racing is gay...why can't ppl do it like wat we do here...u meet someone on your way home..give him two flashes from behind..if he accepts he accelerates off...if he's faster he gone leave u behind if not u gone either pass him or keep up....but comin up to someone and revvin is just gay...most times i ended up racin its either when they passed me or we stopped or something i found out what i was up against...thats where the fun was in for me...i know i can't take em in the straights..but if i corner right i'll be able to take em

ps...V8s are nice...when me and my friends build our full body drag car we gone build a 3RD gen RX7 or a datsun 120Y with a Big block V8...extra light body with tons of torque

but since right now our main focus is rally and circuit...we stick to our 2.0 litre 4 cylinders and bout 20 pounds boost for now...dependin on the track

97PrizmLsi · #92 03-02-2004, 12:26 AM

That sounds tight, I wished I lived down there where you can race the moutain roads. The top secret 3SGTE is insane. I can't fathom why they would swap in a 4 cylinder engine into a car that has a inline 6 that was born to become a monstrosity. Isn't that 3SGTE in the supra twin turboed, or otherwise running on extremely high boost? That engine makes me love the MR2 SW20...it's like a little piece of a porsche for a tenth of the price with 3/4 of the performance. Too bad they are rare on our shores. Also the rare Alltrac celica..those are some special cars...will smoke any civic SI or stang GT straight up any course period, stock for stock of course.

Uncle Caleetro · #93 03-02-2004, 12:27 AM

Oh, believe me, I totally agree street racing is stupid. I have NEVER done it, and never will, but I was just referring to that because it seemed to be the set type of racing for this thread. You're right, bikes are sweet, and I would love to ride one, but I would feel so unsafe because of the other drivers out there. Pushrod V8s still make tons of horsepower, and now that the DOHC setup is moving into V8s it will only get better. I love V8 because I think they sound awesome, and going into V10 or V12 will get extremely expensive until they are offered from the Big Three.

V8s don't require extremely high octane to make high horsepower. I have seen small blocks making nearly 700HP on pump gas, with some room to spare. Sure, the kick from a turbo may be fun, but I love stepping on it in a tuned V8 and being pushed back instantly. Low end torque rocks.

I agree that four cylinders are good for autocross or road courses, but they just do not have the brute power V8s can offer. One of you said V8s are popular because you can build them rather powerful for not much cash. Isn't that what everyone wants, cheap speed?

I drive a 2003 Silverado SS, and it is plenty fast for me. It also handles well enough for everything I have encountered yet. Mostly, the whole debate is basically matter of opinion. A lot of kids I know say that their four cylinders are better because they can outhandle stuff, but I have never seen or heard about them autocrossing or racing road courses. I love my V8 truck because it is plenty fast for when I want, I can haul more than any four cylinder, I think it sounds sweet, and it handles well enough for me.

Overall, if you want handling, but a sacrifice in straight line speed, and better gas mileage, get a four cylinder. If you want low end torque, raw power, and towing, get a V8. It's your choice.

boxcrash · #94 03-02-2004, 12:56 AM

Lol, I am saying sure you are right.

Actualy a Dart block is a Dodge motor, I have a guy at work that is running a 1K plus Dodge Dart(shaped) drag car, he has two Fuel Injector Predator 4 barrels on it and yes it runs on alcohol also.

I am not sure what kind of 1/4th mile runs he gets but they are low.
Alot of people run a 1/8th on the short tracks, I am just saying drag is not my thing.

That is fine, I still think push rod tech is old school and heck for that matter the internal combustion engine is a little outdated.
Heck700+ mph land speed record is not set by not freaking internal combustion pushrod V8, lol.

Also there is no V8 that is the fastest production car, those are held by V12's naturaly aspirated even out accelerated the modified V8's of the likes of Sledgehammers and Lingenfleters.

We could argue this forever and thats fine, but you line your boat V8 up against my Audi 850hp+ Coupe Quattro(still in the building stages, but it can easily be done and I have plenty of drivetrains and fabricators to get it done when I need to) weighing in at about 1400-1500 lbs or less and we will see who beats who to what stop light and heck we can even do some twisties and I will let you catch up just so you can see me pull away hard.......real hard.

boxcrash · #95 03-02-2004, 01:00 AM

yeah true, I think we are all on the same page here, just personal preferance.

Oh yeah a nicely tuned V8 sounds so nice I agree a deep rumble over a ricey fart can is much nicer.

I beleive keeping it on the track too.

Also the CART do run V6, 4's, V8's V10, etc.

F1 is the V10 strictly, the Brickyard F1, etc.

Though CART are turbo charged and all kinds of stuff, but amazing, there the ones I love, I love F1 but a screaming glowing red impeller is so awesome, especialy when the Kompressor housing is the size of a large pie-pan.

Yeah I know some guys with the 350cid Z cars, loads of fun.

97PrizmLsi · #96 03-02-2004, 01:07 AM

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Originally posted by boxcrash
[BWe could argue this forever and thats fine, but you line your boat V8 up against my Audi 850hp+ Coupe Quattro(still in the building stages, but it can easily be done and I have plenty of drivetrains and fabricators to get it done when I need to) weighing in at about 1400-1500 lbs or less and we will see who beats who to what stop light and heck we can even do some twisties and I will let you catch up just so you can see me pull away hard.......real hard. [/b]

The Audi sounds intense. Maybe it's just me but I haven't seen too many heavily modified euros, engine wise. Doesn't the Coupe Run a v6 that puts in around 250ish stock? Maybe that's the TT, I don't remember. But they are pretty cars, that's all I know. Are you planning to drag it or rally it, or just have a damn good time with it on the streets? I'd like to see some pictures of the project as soon as it's running, it sounds awesome.

But I think the fastest production car was a 70ish 'cuda that made the 1/4 in 10.5 seconds. That is the fastest production car I have heard of.

Uncle Caleetro · #97 03-02-2004, 01:08 AM

Just to let you know, I love old skool V8s. I actually love the whole old skool hot rod culture. I don't think there is anything sexier than a 401 Buick Nailhead in a 1960 Le Sabre, or a sweet finned Flathead in a '50 Merc. Those obviously dont make as much power as other V8s and many other engines, but I think they are works of art. I personally just dont think all the wire harnesses and fuel injectors and such on turboed imports are anywhere near as rahd looking as a chromed and finned Nailhead or Flathead. I love 'em!

edit:
Here are some pictures of a sweet Flathead. http://www.flatheadjack.com/merc/mercengine.html#
You may or may not like it, but I know I think it looks sweet. How about we get some pics up of our favorite motors?

Uncle Caleetro · #98 03-02-2004, 01:10 AM

If it was a '70ish Cuda setting records it was most definitely a Hemi, but I am pretty sure it wasn't running 10.5s. I still love the Hemi Cudas though.

Scientist · #99 03-02-2004, 08:28 AM

a quick question...how many of those muscle cars make 800 + Hp and are still daily beaters?

should have a few i guess

97PrizmLsi · #**100** 03-02-2004, 08:31 AM

That nova i mentioend is a daily driver

boxcrash · #**101** 03-02-2004, 09:07 AM

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Originally posted by 97PrizmLsi
The Audi sounds intense. Maybe it's just me but I haven't seen too many heavily modified euros, engine wise. Doesn't the Coupe Run a v6 that puts in around 250ish stock?

No the older coupes, like a 86' where a turbocharged I-5. The new TT is the 1.8T or the 3.2L VR6, which they just call the V6 but it is a VW VR6.
The Audi Quattro they where called they had a shorter wheelbase so they could pivot better and there fenders where flared. It is very hard to find these and when you do even a salvage one will cost you about 10K.

The one we have in the works is a GT coupe that we are placing the AWD/sncyro drivetrain under. I am considering building 2 I-5's with about 700-900hp each and placing one in the front and one in the rear/mid engine. Would be so much fun to have a dual engine 1400-1800hp lightened AWD drive mosnter.

We plan on running it on roadcourses only, no street. Maybe drag, but probably all roadcourse.
Full rollcage, maybe two seats in the front(just for the want to take a ride factor.

), of course fiber/plastic buckets, etc. Right now though we have drawn our attention to a Autocross only Golf.

Uncle Caleetro · #**102** 03-02-2004, 04:06 PM

There is lots of high-horsepower classic muscle that could be driven daily, but many people prefer to drive newer cars just because they don't want to detract from the value of the classic. Why drive a valuable car everyday that has bad mileage if you don't have to?

Like I said, how many of these motors you are talking about are making the power naturally aspirated? If I turboed a V8 I would have tons of power and be able to still drive it daily. If you tried to make 800HP NA out of one of the motors you are talking about you probably would not be able to drive it everyday.

Scientist · #**103** 03-03-2004, 12:09 AM

ok then next question...

which daily driver V8 have u come across makin 800 HP naturally aspirated

and for your info...the 20B rotary that was in the LE Mans RX7 (which got banned) was makin all its power naturally aspirated. they said mazda had an unfair advantage cause of the wieght of the engine

boxcrash · #**104** 03-03-2004, 09:46 AM

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Originally posted by Uncle Caleetro
If you tried to make 800HP NA out of one of the motors you are talking about you probably would not be able to drive it everyday.

No problem, I have seen them do it.
That eip car is like 650+hp and is a daily driver. Dahlbacks Golf is and can be a daily driver at 900hp running full boost setup, it can also be dialed for less around 550hp and still daily driven and thats a I-5.
He also has a Audi Quattro 2-door that is faster they say then the Golf.

Plus that R5 probaby fully dressed weighs about half or more than a fully dressed twin turbo V8. Then that V8 will have a fun time hooking up all that torque at a lower launch, won't wind as high either.

So I mean alot of factors have to be accounted for, power to weight, traction issues, drivetrains/gearing, powerbands, etc.
Thats why a 1.3L motorcycle at 400lbs. with aprox 160hp can kill a 800hp Hemi Cuda, straight line accel, top end, etc.

Uncle Caleetro · #**105** 03-03-2004, 02:26 PM

I did ask how many of these motors you are talking about are making all this power naturally aspirated, not turboed.

Anyways, my whole point here is that I like V8s, you guys don't, and we aren't going to change each other's minds. It doesn't really matter to me which one makes more power as a daily driver, because I wont be racing on the street anyways, so I might as well try and get at least decent gas mileage every day.