Future of SE?

[potentiality]

Originally posted by strakka

but wouldnt you rather have a car that works well rite out of the box? rather than one your have to mess around with until it performs well?

If you want that. Stick with well made "toy" (non-upgradable) r/c. Maybe like a tyco or something. These cars were made to be tweaked to some extent. We just choose to take them further then their original intension.

Unless you dont like being under the hood, which then I question why are you even bothering to play with these types?

Sorry Im a little tiffed at this.. Its the same thing thats happened in bigger R/C with people wanting RTR. Which dismissis the entire point of kits (and ruins the hobby with people who cant take care of things themselves).

[strakka]

Originally posted by potentiality
If you want that. Stick with well made "toy" (non-upgradable) r/c. Maybe like a tyco or something. These cars were made to be tweaked to some extent. We just choose to take them further then their original intension.

Unless you dont like being under the hood, which then I question why are you even bothering to play with these types?

Sorry Im a little tiffed at this.. Its the same thing thats happened in bigger R/C with people wanting RTR. Which dismissis the entire point of kits (and ruins the hobby with people who cant take care of things themselves).

yeah, when RTR 1:10ths started coming out ... i was really disappointed ... expecially the electronics ... but whats tiffed? j.k

i dont mind modifying, thats probably the best part about micro RCs! but wouldnt you be pissed if your 1:10 kit came poorly built? (as in the actual design ... no like pre-built) .... i dont knwo about you but i would be pissed ... if i've paid $90 for a X-RayM18 kit i would want the shaft drive and susupension (probably the 2 things that make it better than a micro rs4 IMO) to have been designed well

[cheesehead]

Originally posted by strakka
Well, if theres money to be won ... i want a bit more speed to win....

but yeah, the best part about SE's is the fact that theyre soo much to be done... so your always tinkering with it....

but wouldnt you rather have a car that works well rite out of the box? rather than one your have to mess around with until it performs well?

Geez, what's the fun in that? I personally mold my foamies (rc airplanes made of depron or bluecor) over a peice of pvc pipe. I biuld stuff myself, and belive in making stuff from scratch whenever possible. Heck, I'm in the process of re-winding a CD-ROM motor for brushless.
Look, if you want RTR go out and spend big bucks. Send it to somone like me to have the antenna replaced, the steering fixed, and the internals lubed. Send it to MicroAmps (I will be!) for an upgrades.
Or, do it yourself. Replace the wheels. Mess with gearings. Blow up a few cars in lithium fires. It's a lot more fun that way.

[strakka]

Originally posted by cheesehead
Geez, what's the fun in that? I personally mold my foamies (rc airplanes made of depron or bluecor) over a peice of pvc pipe. I biuld stuff myself, and belive in making stuff from scratch whenever possible. Heck, I'm in the process of re-winding a CD-ROM motor for brushless.
Look, if you want RTR go out and spend big bucks. Send it to somone like me to have the antenna replaced, the steering fixed, and the internals lubed. Send it to MicroAmps (I will be!) for an upgrades.
Or, do it yourself. Replace the wheels. Mess with gearings. Blow up a few cars in lithium fires. It's a lot more fun that way.

Looks like im fighting a losing battle...

I wasnt saying i like RTRs, i think theyre a waste of money too! I like building stuff from stratch too! No really, i do! But i was talking about design, no like... you know .... that kind of building

Didnt you read my last post? i tried to correct myself... but its really difficult! I'm serious! It is! ~LoL~ J.K

[cheesehead]

I just made a wall charger for my ZZ. It works great, and at 250ma it allows you to safely charge it 3 times in a row.
Look, if you want a RTR craft, get out of the hobby, because they do'nt exist. All cars have some sort of problem, and it takes a lot of work to fix them.

[viperdout]

No offense, but these cars are starting to wear on me. They're great for what they are, and great to work on b/c it doesn't burn a hole in your wallet. But, I think I'm gonna buy a Nitro 4-Tec soon. My need for speed is now going beyond what a Zip or X can handle. These cars are great to drive once in a while, but I'm getting bored. Yes, I will always stick by these cars, especially, b/c of the price, but I just gotta move on for a while.

[cheesehead]

Have you seen a FETed ZZSE on 4 cells? It's a rocket!
You could put it on dual liPo 210 HD's, which would put out a maximum of 8.4 volts (7.4 nominal) and get a ZZSE up to ~20mph. Sure, a Nitro RS4 (~330.00 complete w/radio) can do 50 stock, but for scale speed, Bitchargers and ZipZaps reign supreme.
There's also the fact that they're about 1/6 the price AFTER a 2-cell in paralell 210 lipo pack (3.7v@410mah, 5 grams), and a MicroAmps fet mod. Plus, you would still need Nitro fuel, a glow plug starter, and a few other items like a fuel pump.
Of course, someone could put a .020 in an Xmods, and use a White Gas/Nitro/maybe 90% isopropyl alcohol mixture for fuel....

[viperdout]

Not true. Edit: The Nitro 4-Tec does not need a glow plug heater. All it needs is a 7.2 V battery, gas, chager, and 12 aas. If I get one, I'm gonna get an X-Mod, and in the winter use the 7.2 volt battery in that. But I have a Zip that does 20 mph. Also, with battery, charger, glow plugs,wrench, and gas, the grand total comes out to $370.

[clxfiles]

Sorry to backtrack but I kinda do agree with Strakka in that, I don't mind pulling stuff apart, seeing what makes em tick then proceed to make them better, faster. But with some of the "fixes" that need to be done to the SE, it's not moddin.... It's fixing crap that should have been done right to start.

For instance, people complain about short run times. Well use a peak charger, or make a stand alone charger. That's cool you're thinking of a better way to do something. That's cool....

But on the other hand, the steering. Turn great one way and not the other with sooo much twitching. Well, cut the jumper on the pot should FIX this, but then you'll have trouble driving straight lines and the steering will be super sensative, then change some transistors towards the motor and put a small pot to measure the correct current, mod some of the tranmitter with some resistors, and find some stiffer springs to get a better return and find the dead spot, shave the steering bar and take apart the front end to align the wheels. That seems a bit much to be able to make your car go straight and turn even. That's a basic trait of a good car, drive straight and turn.

Don't get me wrong, I like the SE as much as the next, and I totally understand that you get what you pay for, but maybe they rushed just a little bit to get a product out that can get them to capitalize on the popularity of 1/64 scale cars. And the job could have been done better so I can concentrate on how to do my own Mosfets rather than how to make a car do a decent circle.

BTW - I do have a fet modded car by uA and it screams on the stock battery. If you're itching for more speed, check it out, or contact me in a few weeks and maybe I'll sell you one of mine.

Sorry for the long winded post.... I'm trying to make up for lost time

[viperdout]

I concur. That's one reason I won't buy an SE. If you have to send it to get it just to run normally, then it's a waste. BTW, I have a ZZ with uA's stage 2 fets. It's a monster, though I have to replace a resistor (trust me, if something looks bent, don't try to bend it back). As RC racer said: "they're great to have when you have a gas car." Anyway, I think I'm gonna get the gas car to match the Zips! I still like the original because I find it easier to mod. If you can't get batteries for your car, what good is it? Or, you can make a Layman's quad cell...

[baleisen]

I just got lost. Where can I find the FET mod? The wire for steering mod also, please.
BAE

[cj1267]

60-7040


60-7041


60-7038

[viperdout]

I want it!! BTW, if it's photoshopped and not real, I'll kill you!

[rfnagel]

Originally posted by viperdout
BTW, if it's photoshopped and not real, I'll kill you!

Ummm.... check the URL of the pic links LOL! -

[cj1267]

Two more for you sorry don't have pics yet but if you rember what they look like you get the idea.

60-7037 STARTSKY & HUTCH SE
60-7039 BLK CHEVY CHEVILLE SE