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Old 01-31-2010, 08:42 PM
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dNano PAN CAR BODY!

It would be cool if either PN or Atomic came out with a dNano version of their Pan car Bodies which they now produce for the Mini-Z. Probably they'll need to do it for the widest & longest configuration chassis just like it's the case with the Z's. This would instantly create a new racing class if the driving characteristics are going to be similar to what it is in their current size. it would also put more X power motors in use...probably will develop as a good mod/racing class with all cars in the same configuration with gobs of down force in the right places hopefully. Having said all that no substitute for ASC when it comes to "cool" factor.

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Old 02-01-2010, 09:26 AM
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why just do a pan car body? why not do a pan car chassis in 1:43 scale and release it to compete with dnano?
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Old 02-01-2010, 11:52 AM
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The steering servo and servo saver would be the problem, as it is with the 1:28 MRCG.
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Old 02-01-2010, 01:14 PM
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as interesting as it sounds, i think the lm series suits those need just fine.

i never liked the pan car bodies anyway, having owner both the atomic and pn versions.

given the small niche these occupy i don't see anyone investing the time and money to design, prototype and release anytime soon. could be wrong, there could be some wealthy person looking to expend vast quantities of money.
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Old 02-01-2010, 01:45 PM
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yeah, i think R&D cost is the prohibitive part of creating a competitive alternative. 1/43rd scale racing hasn't caught on enough for the 'big players' to take notice and make the leap into the market. but, if the 1:28 sinister can be used as a comparison for Mini-Z, it shouldn't be that difficult to duplicate it for the dNaNo.... or is that just wishful thinking?
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Old 02-01-2010, 01:59 PM
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keep in mind the mini-z has been around for 10 years now, i've been racing them for 9. only in the last couple years have true aftermarket, mass produced chassis kits become available. the sinister isn't even widely used in the us either. we have domestic favorites such as the mrcg. there are several entries into the 1:24 slot however those have never proved popular here either.

i just don't think the economics for 1:43 are there yet.
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Old 02-03-2010, 03:24 AM
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I've had the privilege of discussing pros and cons of 28th scale pan chassis with a couple of top Mini-Z experts in person who've had & driven them. First they feel the major issue is servo speed which no matter what is going to be slower compared to the one in the Zs and that effects the drive negatively just too much. I'll add to that the messy decased esc (only mediocre choices) & rx or messier mini z board install which simply is not appealing, one look & u realize there's almost no room for them on the chasis. And oh here's the other thing they say the mini-z is simply faster so what's the point. This discussion took place before the PN a-arm or the reflex WTF came out the 02 is much faster now with those.

As for creating a 1/43 pan chasis from scratch there's simply no electronics that size at this time and even if there was the car wil end up very heavy with super high cg, simply not viable.


Best solution would be a pan BODY for dnano in for say Mazda 787 configuration and go a little crazy if needed like the current 1/8 scale bodies with huge side dams to get clearly more downforce compared to anything else out there. I'm not a fan of pan body trumping the ASC LeMan's bodies at all. Just as an added class which will create more variety and make the dnano experience richer and maybe even draw a few more people in from 1/12 scale which is what the 28th scale version did.

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Old 02-03-2010, 09:11 AM
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kyosho's marketing and choices in the R/C market are brilliant... they have a monopoly on both scales cuz they were brave enough to put a massive amount into R&D knowing the return would be a long term deal. there's a huge amount of model competition in 1/8th, 1/10th & 1/12th racing but the only competition in 1/28th and 1/43rd scale is in aftermarket parts. just think... mini-z has been around 10 years and kyosho STILL has no viable competition. dnano just dropped within the past 2 years. how long will it take for others to catch up if EVER? eventually, you'll have a full range of aftermarket parts that make it possible to build a dnano without touching anything 'kyosho' (just like you can with Mini-Z) but ultimately, its still a dnano. the only question is how long it will take for PN Racing, Atomic, X-Power, et al. to develop the items that make it possible.
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i just don't see that 'need' ever being large enough for aftermarket to invest that that level of development. right now we are getting the basics really. h plates, tires and wheels are all common items that don't take much engineering to create and produce in quantity given their vast library of information and experience with mini-z's which these are all scalled down from in essence. atomic and x-power have taken things a bit further with the diff, battery chargers, etc. and we know pn is entering the game with the disc damper based on postings.
i just don't see either of these dumping the money into custom chassis for this scale. there simply isn't enough demand to support it now and i don't see that significantly changing in another 2 years.
there have been maybe a dozen aftermarket mini-z chassis which have all been limited in quantity and sales and to this day, racing classes remain limited and mini-z has been around for 10 years.
to those new to dnano and have not come into them from the mini-z scale, your missing years of knowledge and experience that translates very well event to this scale as many of the parts or functions of the parts remain similar if not the same. this translates to the aftermarket providers, hardware, software etc.
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Old 02-04-2010, 03:22 AM
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there have been maybe a dozen aftermarket mini-z chassis which have all been limited in quantity and sales and to this day, racing classes remain limited and mini-z has been around for 10 years.
That pretty much sums it up and the reasons for that mentioned above is because the performance of the mini-z can not be duplicated let alone surpassed via any pan chasis. Mini-z & specially dnano are already the ultimate custom chasis in their scales for any body type, pan or ASC, due to fact that they are designed to use the minimum amount of material by weight throughout and perfect fitment of custom electronics which otherwise do not exist. No car designer will be able to come up with an equal unless they did what big K did with KO and partner up with one of the other Radio companies to develop the high tech custom electronics to fit in their own cars. Doubly true for 43rd scale due to much smaller size.

So IMO the ultimate 43rd scale chassis is already here called the dnano, we just need a well developed pan body to strap on and create yet another class fo all to enjoy
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