Ricers

[viperdout]

Originally posted by toyota_supra01
oh my god people it dos'nt matter that one car is faster than another all cars are fun and equal so give it up. viper the cobra is'nt as great as you say the cobra has alot more drwbacks then the sti dose stock so give it up. secondly why argue about cars some people like jappenes muscle some like american muscle oh and just for the record on the driving coarse here an eclipse onwed a cobbra a 03 cobra as well and the eclipse was a 97 oh and i would like to see a cobra beat the almighty japenese rocket he skyline gt-r v-spec 2 r-34 but i dont want to start an argument or anything.

Like what? So what, a modded Eclipse took a Cobra down. Wow, I'm so surprised. If the Cobra was modded too, the Eclipse would be toast. Anything can be made faster than anything else. That's why I'm buying a Miata, and dropping in a 5.0 Mustang motor, and modding it out. Well, a Cobra did not beat an R34, but I have a vid (MNM used to have it on his site) of a Fox body Mustang ('87-'93) smoking an R34. Would anyone like to host it? Also, when's the last time you saw an R34 run a 7.96@178mph? The record's held by a Fox body. OWNED.

[1SloSupra]

1. I'm not a ricer, despite your attempts to paint me that way. I drive a modded Impreza. Not a fart can attached Civic.

2. The Cobra does handle well. But the STi handles much better. I'm not being arrogant, it's a fact, look at any of the many magazine comparisons. The Cobra will obviously have higher top end, but the Impreza has better bottom end acceleration. It's 0-60 in under 5.

3. I don't even know what you meant with your third point. I wasn't discussing movies. I'm discussing real world, street performance, where the Impreza's AWD launch would have it well out of the hole by the time the Mustang stopped spinning.

4. I didn't bother watching your video. Both cars can do amazing things on stock internals.

5. Very observant of you that they aren't close to their 100th anny, when I just told you when they started making cars. And we aren't discussing that anyway, I was disputing your claim of Ford making turbo 4's prior to Subaru's existance.


A few more things, this isn't about who has been doing what longer, it's about who does what better. If you want to discuss power per litre, Subaru wins. If you want to discuss built, track dedicated only drag cars, of course the Mustang wins. But the Impreza is a much more capable road course car. Basically, both cars play to the strengths of their engineers.

The record's held by a Fox body. OWNED.

What record would that be? It's not the fastest 1/4 car, certainly. And that car isn't street legal. So it's not even in the discussion here, really.


I don't really want to be in an argument with anyone here, so let me say this, when I was looking at different cars before I bought my Impreza, I had my choices down to 3 cars. Impreza, Mustang, Miata. The Subaru is the most capable, across all motorsports, of the three choices. I rally, I auto cross, and I drag race. I couldn't build the Mustang or the Miata to handle all three. That's what it came down to for me. I wouldn't debate with you for a second that the Mustang can be built to a much better drag car. But again, that is the Mustang's intended purpose, wheras the Impreza can also be built to a capable drag car, but this isn't its true purpose.


Good luck with your Monster Miata project, they featured one of those in Sport Compact Car a while back, but I don't think the V8 was from a Mustang. Now THAT, will be a sick car.

[viperdout]

Originally posted by 1SloSupra
1. I'm not a ricer, despite your attempts to paint me that way. I drive a modded Impreza. Not a fart can attached Civic.

2. The Cobra does handle well. But the STi handles much better. I'm not being arrogant, it's a fact, look at any of the many magazine comparisons. The Cobra will obviously have higher top end, but the Impreza has better bottom end acceleration. It's 0-60 in under 5.

3. I don't even know what you meant with your third point. I wasn't discussing movies. I'm discussing real world, street performance, where the Impreza's AWD launch would have it well out of the hole by the time the Mustang stopped spinning.

4. I didn't bother watching your video. Both cars can do amazing things on stock internals.

5. Very observant of you that they aren't close to their 100th anny, when I just told you when they started making cars. And we aren't discussing that anyway, I was disputing your claim of Ford making turbo 4's prior to Subaru's existance.


A few more things, this isn't about who has been doing what longer, it's about who does what better. If you want to discuss power per litre, Subaru wins. If you want to discuss built, track dedicated only drag cars, of course the Mustang wins. But the Impreza is a much more capable road course car. Basically, both cars play to the strengths of their engineers.



What record would that be? It's not the fastest 1/4 car, certainly. And that car isn't street legal. So it's not even in the discussion here, really.


I don't really want to be in an argument with anyone here, so let me say this, when I was looking at different cars before I bought my Impreza, I had my choices down to 3 cars. Impreza, Mustang, Miata. The Subaru is the most capable, across all motorsports, of the three choices. I rally, I auto cross, and I drag race. I couldn't build the Mustang or the Miata to handle all three. That's what it came down to for me. I wouldn't debate with you for a second that the Mustang can be built to a much better drag car. But again, that is the Mustang's intended purpose, wheras the Impreza can also be built to a capable drag car, but this isn't its true purpose.


Good luck with your Monster Miata project, they featured one of those in Sport Compact Car a while back, but I don't think the V8 was from a Mustang. Now THAT, will be a sick car.

(Numbering in accordance to the quote)

2. The Imprezza handles better, but the Cobra can do the same things.

3. It seemed that you were daydreaming a bit.

4. It was an 1/8 mile test of a single turbo Cobra (stock internals) pulling a very violent wheelie. The front actually bounced up again when it hit the ground.

5. Stock, yes, the Imprezza has the best balance of the 3. A stang is used in rallying, but I personally only would do tarmac rallies.

The record is written right before my statment. It's a 7.96, but it was in qualifying, so the 8.18 ran in competition counted. This was done on drag radials, which are totally street legal, and done in a class that requires the car to be driven on a cruise before the race, then no gas or hood-opening is allowed until you run 3 times: http://www.wolferacecraft.com/cust/guthridge.aspx Proof.

Thanks for the good wishes. A miata just seems like the perfect sleeper, and I think I can pull it off for 6.5k (Miata for 1k, Mustang donor for 1500, kit for 4k).

[rs2000]

Originally posted by 1SloSupra
2. The Cobra does handle well. But the STi handles much better. I'm not being arrogant, it's a fact, look at any of the many magazine comparisons. The Cobra will obviously have higher top end, but the Impreza has better bottom end acceleration. It's 0-60 in under 5.

Hah, Ford still had subaru beat, I mean, even look at the older cars such as the rs2000! it has been known to do 0-60 in 2 secs! Don't believe me? It's all right here http://www.staufferclassics.com/rs200.html . I mean hey, the STi is cool and all, but its no comparison.

[1SloSupra]

That is the lamest comparison I've ever seen. That car costs $150,000. And it isn't street legal.

If you want to compare a Ford Rally car to a Subaru, compare it to one of Subaru's rally cars.

Subaru World Rally Team Homepage

Thanks, and have a nice day.

[1SloSupra]

Got bored so I dug out the actual times,

2004 Ford Mustang Cobra SVT 0-60: 4.5, 1/4 mile: 12.9


2004 Subaru WRX Sti 0-60: 4.9, 1/4 mile: 13.2

The difference in 1/4 mile time is a bit closer to what I said, but again, I've never meant to dispute the Cobra being the better straight line car.

[viperdout]

Originally posted by 1SloSupra
That is the lamest comparison I've ever seen. That car costs $150,000. And it isn't street legal.

If you want to compare a Ford Rally car to a Subaru, compare it to one of Subaru's rally cars.

Subaru World Rally Team Homepage

Thanks, and have a nice day.

They're a little cheaper now, but they still are faster than current WRC cars (mainly because they were designed to be in this special class against the Audi Quattros and such). Also, the Guiness Book Of World Records lists the RS200 as the fastest car 0-60. Evo magazine (no relation) had an article about the fastest car up Pike's Peak this year; it was an RS200.

While you never dispute the Cobra in a straight line, your exact quote was:

The STi would absolutely destroy the Cobra on any road course.

Not any. On a very tight and twisty course, the Impreza would dominate, but on a gentler course with longer straights, the STi loses. If you really want to get technical, for 32k, you could buy a Lotus Elise, and kill them both on any course.

[rs2000]

Yeah, there was some show on bbc where an elise stayed out of the target of a helicopter, was pretty cool, it handled like a beast.

[viperdout]

Originally posted by rs2000
Yeah, there was some show on bbc where an elise stayed out of the target of a helicopter, was pretty cool, it handled like a beast.

I have it on my computer. It's a higher-performance, hardtop version of the Elise called the Exige.

[1SloSupra]

I'm well aware of the Lotus, a buddy of mine has one, and riding in it was just about the most amazing thing ever.

You're right about the RS200 being quicker than the current WRC cars, but the current WRC cars are restricted to 300 HP. The If unrestricted, it could run with the RS. The old Group B cars were amazing though. I was just shocked that someone would compare it with a $30 K street car.

[viperdout]

Originally posted by 1SloSupra
I'm well aware of the Lotus, a buddy of mine has one, and riding in it was just about the most amazing thing ever.

You're right about the RS200 being quicker than the current WRC cars, but the current WRC cars are restricted to 300 HP. The If unrestricted, it could run with the RS. The old Group B cars were amazing though. I was just shocked that someone would compare it with a $30 K street car.

Yeah, they can't be compared. I was just showing Ford has been doing turboes for quite awhile, and has even experimented with turboes as early as the early 60s.

[toyota_supra01]

Like what? So what, a modded Eclipse took a Cobra down. Wow, I'm so surprised. If the Cobra was modded too, the Eclipse would be toast. Anything can be made faster than anything else. That's why I'm buying a Miata, and dropping in a 5.0 Mustang motor, and modding it out. Well, a Cobra did not beat an R34, but I have a vid (MNM used to have it on his site) of a Fox body Mustang ('87-'93) smoking an R34. Would anyone like to host it? Also, when's the last time you saw an R34 run a 7.96@178mph? The record's held by a Fox body. OWNED.



oh really well your really starting to tick me off. you obviously did'nt read my whole post. you say the cobra dose not need a bunch of mods but every time you try to prove a point theres always another mod you add on to the list."Also, when's the last time you saw an R34 run a 7.96@178mph?" why just a couple months ago. so just drop it already shessh

[toyota_supra01]

sorry for double post

the cobra was modded too

[viperdout]

Originally posted by toyota_supra01
Also, when's the last time you saw an R34 run a 7.96@178mph?" why just a couple months ago. so just drop it already shessh

Then why don't you post a link? I posted a link for my claims, to prove it, so why don't you put your money where your mounth is. Right now, no Supra on drs is keeping up, but they are only a tenth off.

[toyota_supra01]

how can i post a link when theres no web site? it happened here at the local drag strip. man it was an amazing sight