Ricers - Page 4

Scientist · #46 08-19-2004, 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by viperdout
2003 Cobra: 4.6 liter SUPERCHARGED V8, 390 hp. That is from the factory, dumba$$. I've seen the stock blocks handle OVER 700 hp. Hell, X2C motorsports in Cali has an 8 second turboed one that will own any Supra. You dump 2k into a Cobra and you can get easily 500whp. Plus, you can spend 30k on a new car, or you can spend 30k on an 8 year old car. Hmmmm, tough choice.

Ok now you muscle heads need to chill for a min....u mean to tell me a 4.6 supercharged mustang cobra only puts out 390hp? and a stock block supra capable of making 980hp to the wheels....well the new reccord is 13000 but until the engine finishes lasting a year they gone record it

Now as for the 4G63....a 4G63 off an evolution 4-8 is capable of running 500hp on the stock block...don't believe me?...go to jamaica, theres an evo 7 with only fuel and turbo upgrade making 502whp and running low 10s with full interior heavy chrome rims and a big sound system on board....everything else under the engine bay and drive line is stock

the easiest way to get a honda motor with 400+ hp on stock internals is using a B20 on 7psi boost....now V8s are great in the long run the produce more power dan any 4 or 6 cylinder motor can...but elsewhere in the world 4 and 6 cylinder motors pull out some massife HP numbers with minimal work done to them....if i wanted a drag car, which i don't and never will want, i'd get a V8. since i want a fun, nimble and well balanced track car i stick with my rice burners and euro hatch backs...

viperdout · #47 08-19-2004, 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Scientist
Ok now you muscle heads need to chill for a min....u mean to tell me a 4.6 supercharged mustang cobra only puts out 390hp? and a stock block supra capable of making 980hp to the wheels....well the new reccord is 13000 but until the engine finishes lasting a year they gone record it

Now as for the 4G63....a 4G63 off an evolution 4-8 is capable of running 500hp on the stock block...don't believe me?...go to jamaica, theres an evo 7 with only fuel and turbo upgrade making 502whp and running low 10s with full interior heavy chrome rims and a big sound system on board....everything else under the engine bay and drive line is stock

the easiest way to get a honda motor with 400+ hp on stock internals is using a B20 on 7psi boost....now V8s are great in the long run the produce more power dan any 4 or 6 cylinder motor can...but elsewhere in the world 4 and 6 cylinder motors pull out some massife HP numbers with minimal work done to them....if i wanted a drag car, which i don't and never will want, i'd get a V8. since i want a fun, nimble and well balanced track car i stick with my rice burners and euro hatch backs...

I believe that you are misunderstanding. Cobras have a supercharger FROM THE FACTORY AND HAVE 390 HP STOCK. The X2C Cobra is still on it's stock block and internals and is making well over 800 hp. I will tell you one thing; that Evo owner is going through drivelines like no tomorrow. The Evo 8s here, after a few hard launches, have been known to shred their drivelines. Vishnu tuning has a 500hp Evo: big deal. Evo=30k, Cobra=32k. Evo+10k in mods=500hp. Cobra+2k in mods=500hp. Cobra+10k in mods=600+hp, 10 second monster (new blower, maybe even a turbo, solid axle, tranny, clutch, and maybe some suspension work). Scientist, your saying how the Supra made 980hp on the stock block, did it make 980 from the factory? No, it made 320hp. Also, why would I spend 25k on an 8 year old car, when I can get a brand new one that is easier to mod, and is just plain faster? Also, I have a problem with you describing the 400 hp Honda 4 cylinder. How much would that cost? Let's see: 4k (turbo), 2k (motor), 1k (fuel system), and you'd still need cams, a head, exaust, and all other kinds of goodies. I can go get a ZZ430 Chevy crate motor for less, drop it into my car, and run waaaaay faster times than you can.

toyota_supra01 · #48 08-19-2004, 11:35 AM

thats where your wrong a-hole some people (like me) love japaness sports cars and a mustang is not exacly "easyer to mod" with all those japaness and american parts a supra would be way easyer to mod than a mustang and a supra could blow away a mustang. so what mabey you would have to spend a little bit more money to do so ya so is'nt that the fun of having a car spending alot of money to see how fast you can make it go ya i think so.

viperdout · #49 08-19-2004, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by toyota_supra01
thats where your wrong a-hole some people (like me) love japaness sports cars and a mustang is not exacly "easyer to mod" with all those japaness and american parts a supra would be way easyer to mod than a mustang and a supra could blow away a mustang. so what mabey you would have to spend a little bit more money to do so ya so is'nt that the fun of having a car spending alot of money to see how fast you can make it go ya i think so.

Actually, can you pull a pinion? Can you press a few buttons on a controller? Can you plug in a printer to your computer? If you say yes to all of these questions (otherwise you probably are living in an assisted living community), you can mod a Cobra instantly. You get a pulley puller, a new pulley, and a Hypertech power programmer, and you can easily break the 450whp mark. If you give me your email, I'll send you a vid of a stock block, stock internals, '95 Cobra with a single turbo hanging with a Supra, quite easily, I might add: http://members.cox.net/turbonegro/sundaydrive_low.wmv

Specs on the Supra are here: http://www.svtperformance.com/forums...hreadid=116190

toyota_supra01 · #50 08-19-2004, 07:35 PM

ohh so the mustang has to be a cobra so you have to get the faster model of mustang if there so easy to mod lets see a regular one beat a supra and by the way that supra beat that mustang

toyota_supra01 · #51 08-19-2004, 07:36 PM

(sorry for double post) btw i'm not a supra fan so dont be fooled by my name

viperdout · #52 08-19-2004, 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by toyota_supra01
ohh so the mustang has to be a cobra so you have to get the faster model of mustang if there so easy to mod lets see a regular one beat a supra and by the way that supra beat that mustang

The Supra is a 10 year old car that was the top car for Toyota, so therefore, let's compare something in that range. A supra and a Cobra, at this point, cost about the same. BTW, in the 1st gear roll (1st run), the Supra got owned by a carlength. Also remember that that Cobra is still running non-forged internals, and that was a '95, not an '03. An '03 with a T76 (what the Supra AND the Stang were running), would hand them their butts on a silver platter. I was just showing that with the same turbo, a car that costs half of what that Supra costs can keep up (the '95 Cobra). Put a 2003 or '04 in with a blower upgrade and it'll keep up. Put on a turbo instead and it will fly by. I am not saying that imports are slow; this dude in Houston, Cheesefrog, has an insane Civic hatch with a B18 swap which I saw slightly edge out a 10 second Viper. The best part was that the Civic still had its handbrake on! The only thing I'm saying is the Supra is a 10 year old car that is not all it's cracked up to be, and that a new Mustang can hold its own quite easily with them.

toyota_supra01 · #53 08-19-2004, 09:21 PM

i see well then i am glad that you cleared that out for me and i hope we can be friends

MattPaintballer · #54 10-29-2004, 05:35 PM

What is a ricer?

viperdout · #55 10-29-2004, 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MattPaintballer
What is a ricer?

Someone woh makes an all show, no go car, excluding low riders and very custom cars. Owning a civic with a body kit with no performance mods would make you a ricer.

1SloSupra · #56 12-01-2004, 10:58 PM

viperdout, a Cobra is 390 HP stock, but a Subaru Impreza WRX STi is 300, and out of a 2.5l engine. They are nearly identical in the 1/4, and I don't think you want to bring this into a discussion about anything but a straight line.

Stock for stock, it doesn't take the displacement it used to, to build a fast car. The 06 STi is going to feature a 2 litre engine putting out 300 HP/300 FT. If you want to get into a pure discussion on track car only drag racing, then "there's no replacement for displacement" will always ring true. But since most of us aren't building track dedicated cars, that's kind of a moot point here.

viperdout · #57 12-02-2004, 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 1SloSupra
viperdout, a Cobra is 390 HP stock, but a Subaru Impreza WRX STi is 300, and out of a 2.5l engine. They are nearly identical in the 1/4, and I don't think you want to bring this into a discussion about anything but a straight line.

Stock for stock, it doesn't take the displacement it used to, to build a fast car. The 06 STi is going to feature a 2 litre engine putting out 300 HP/300 FT. If you want to get into a pure discussion on track car only drag racing, then "there's no replacement for displacement" will always ring true. But since most of us aren't building track dedicated cars, that's kind of a moot point here.

You forgot to mentioned the upped boost, and the fact that it has been proven that the '03s put on 420 at the crank (many stockers have been dynoed, and the norm is 360 WHEEL HP, which equates to a bit more crank hp than 390). The other thing is, the Cobra still spanks the STi, and it weighs 3800 POUNDS! Also, if you're gonna bring up that whole "imports respond better to mods," shove it. Muscle Mustangs And Fast Ford magazine took a STOCK Cobra, and put a K&N FIPK (CAI), after they found out that K&N claims it makes 25 more wheel hp than stock. Dynoed stock at 360 whp, hit the dyno after, and it hit 385 whp! 25 hp from a 150 dollar mod is unheard of.

Want to continue? Good, I will. The STi makes 14.51 lbs of boost maximum. The Cobra? 8 psi. That's not even. The Cobra also make 90 more hp according to Ford (actually, 120, as I said above). You get a Cobra to make 14 psi of boost, the paint will be sucked off of an STi, along with the goofy ricer wing. Hell, it happens a lot. If I had a host for the vid I have, you can see yourself. Mildly modded 2003 Cobra (CAI, pulley, for around 10-12 psi, full exaust, and Nitto 555Rs) versus a modded 2004 STi (CAI, headers, catback, BOV, Injen CAI, catless, and 17 psi of boost). Going from a stop, the STi was winning for about 3 seconds, right off the line, but that was it. The Cobra driver hit 2nd, and it's door to door. He'd hit 3rd, and the STi was a distant memory. With these mild mods listed above, it beat a Z06 by a good couple carlengths. IM me at viperdout, and I'll be glad to send it, or email me.

Let me go on to point #3. People say american cars are crap. Crank up the boost to 25+ psi in an STi, and you'll be replacing the motor. Crank the boost up to 25 psi on a Cobra, and have some fun (you'd need race gas, but so would the STi). Don't believe that a stock 2003-2004 Cobra block can take it? Quite a few people spent about 4k on a Kenne Bell Blower upgrade. Quite a few are running 18-19 psi ON PUMP GAS. What does that little combo make with CAI and full exaust? Roughly 600hp.

Still think I'm full of it? Ford Racing Perfomance Parts just realised a performance kit for the Cobra. This kit has a Cobra R suspension kit, brakes, and wheels. Yes, a full track suspension, which will let you outhandle any Viper. Let me get to the motor aspect. The kit comes with a s/c upgrade, among other things, and makes 604 HP!

The heads are never taken off to install the parts. You get all of this for 14k.

Hell, pick up a current edition of MM&FF. Right now, they're doing a "boost blowout", with the Kenne Bell, a Vortech S/C upgrade, and HP's twin turbo setup, all on a stock block, sotck internals Cobra motor. The only reason the valve covers were off was to install cams. Go check it out if you don't believe me. The stock block and internals are still fine at 750hp. 2003 Cobra motors are the Supra motors of today. The STi, as you said, displaces 2.5 liters. The Cobra displaces 4.6. If the STi were an 8, it'd be 5 liters.

Ford did turbo 4s before Subaru was around. Ford made the RS200 Evo, which makes 600+hp with a TURBO 4 CYLINDER. The RS200 was made in 1986.

Who says a Cobra can't handle? I know someone who takes their 2004 out on open track days. It schools M3s regularly, and no suspension mods. There are so more track suspension components for the Cobra then there are perfomance parts for the STi altogether! Steeda, Kenne Brown, Griggs, and others make FULL SUSPENSIONS SPECIFICALLY FOR RACE TRACKS.

Ok, one last point. A new STi lists for 32k. A 2004 Cobra, brand new, still on the lot, lists for 30, and in 2003, when the 1st '04s came out, they listed at 32k. The Cobra runs 12s. The STi runs 13s. The Cobra doesn't have a ricer wing. The Cobra looks mean. The Cobra isn't based on a POS econobox. The Cobra is easier and cheaper to mod. The Cobra can hold 4 people.

Cliff notes:

- Cobra makes les boost than STi, and weighs a lot more, yet still spanks it.

- Cobras are cheaper to mod, and respond better to them.

- Cobras can take more heat in the kitchen, or rather boost in the cylinders than an STi.

- Cobra actually doesn't need a whole new internals or block to make 750+ hp.

- Ford has been making turbo 4s for longer than Subaru has been around, and a 4 from 1986 will school a 2005 STi motor.

- Cobras can take open tracking very well, and have more aftermarket suspension parts than any kind of aftermarket part for STis.

- Bang for the buck is higher on the Cobra than the STi.

- It is not 2006, and that STi is not out, and the Cobra will be upped for that bout.

1SloSupra · #58 12-04-2004, 04:00 PM

It's almost like you didn't read my post.

Oh well, typical mustang owner mentality. Bigger is better and all that.

As far as a Cobra destroying an STi, I believe it was one tenth of a second faster in the 1/4 mile, stock for stock. And it's clearly designed for the quarter mile, while the STi is not.

The STi would absolutely destroy the Cobra on any road course. Period. Just look at the breaking and skippad numbers.

You mention that the STi makes 15 psi max, or some other uninformed figure like that. Well, it isn't true. There are plenty of STi's here with over 20 psi, on stock internals. No detenation problems.

I can't wait for your next post though, "teh cobra is bettAr!!!!11"

One last thing, Subaru has been building cars sine the mid 50's. Please post a link to a 1950 Ford turbo 4. Thanks for playing.

viperdout · #59 12-04-2004, 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 1SloSupra
It's almost like you didn't read my post.

Oh well, typical mustang owner mentality. Bigger is better and all that.

As far as a Cobra destroying an STi, I believe it was one tenth of a second faster in the 1/4 mile, stock for stock. And it's clearly designed for the quarter mile, while the STi is not.

The STi would absolutely destroy the Cobra on any road course. Period. Just look at the breaking and skippad numbers.

You mention that the STi makes 15 psi max, or some other uninformed figure like that. Well, it isn't true. There are plenty of STi's here with over 20 psi, on stock internals. No detenation problems.

I can't wait for your next post though, "teh cobra is bettAr!!!!11"

One last thing, Subaru has been building cars sine the mid 50's. Please post a link to a 1950 Ford turbo 4. Thanks for playing.

Typical ricer at work. The Cobra DESTROYS an STi in the quarter. It isn't a tenth off, it is THREE FIFTHS OFF.

Second, the only road course where an STi would prevail is a very twisty one. Set the 2 on a very smooth-curving, long straights track, or in a snow rally. Just because skidpad numbers are higher doesn't mean it will destroy a Cobra on all tracks. There is not as big of a difference between handling of the STi and the Cobra as there is of acceleration and flat-out speed.

Third, most races on the street are stoplight to stoplight. This is not a movie.

Fourth, can an STi do this on stock internals? No, it can't.

Fifth, last time I checked, Subaru wasn't close to celebrating their 100th anniversary. Ok, so I didn't know when Subaru started, but Ford has still been using turboes longer. Want to bet on it? Show me the first turbo motor Subaru ever built, and I will show you Ford's. Ford has been using overhead cams longer too.

toyota_supra01 · #60 12-05-2004, 07:30 PM

oh my god people it dos'nt matter that one car is faster than another all cars are fun and equal so give it up. viper the cobra is'nt as great as you say the cobra has alot more drwbacks then the sti dose stock so give it up. secondly why argue about cars some people like jappenes muscle some like american muscle oh and just for the record on the driving coarse here an eclipse onwed a cobbra a 03 cobra as well and the eclipse was a 97 oh and i would like to see a cobra beat the almighty japenese rocket he skyline gt-r v-spec 2 r-34 but i dont want to start an argument or anything.