drifting

[Weapon-NZ]

drifting is NOT power sliding, anyone that tells u that it is either dumb, stupid or retarded

i agree, man. that is NOT drifting. drifting is like, letting your car drift and turn itself. powersliding is using an E-brake to lock up the tires and let it slide itself around.

[boho]

Weapon-nz, you've got a good point, but not every body has that knowledge. It doesn't mean they're dumb, it just means they're misinformed/misconstrued/mis....something or other. You shouldn't jump on them like that. Just tell them to study drift racing. Also remember that some people on this forum don't even drive real cars, much less, drift them in actual races.

Try looking up "how to drift a car" on the internet. Should give you some good info.

And also, sorry, but NO, it's not all about letting off the gas and hitting emergency brakes. It's actually a lot more technical.
In fact, over here in Japan, these crazy mo-fos drive around with slanted front tires (just the drift racers). The car's front tires will be set at about a 45~70% angle inwards. Normally they drive on the inside of the tires, but when it gets up to speed one of the tires will pop into the regular vertical position "during a turn". Each system varies, depending on who built it, but some are built with hydrolics and respond to a certain amount of inertia, while others have on-board computers to calibrate the system while driving (can anyone say "co-pilot please"). They make a car super easy to drift. Are they doing that in the States too?

i was referring to how you POWERSLIDE! NOT DRIFT! you might wanna go back and read what i posted.

[dabigpig]

ok VITZ E-BRAKE DRIFTING
yes i drove it, yes it's my car, yes it's a freakin vitz, yes i made it threw the turn and onto the next one (crashed into wall half way tho), and yes it's pink lol. ne questions?


altho it's not real drifting it still looks cool

is that from the japanese version of Gran Turismo3 A-Spec? that was awesome until you went into the wall briefly. goin kinda slow, though. i can do the same in my Nissan R390 GT1 LM Race Car-1184 HP @ 8000 RPM

[boho]

Sorry, but your statement was kinda broad. Drifting is all about 100% control. The car should'nt turn itself. But I got your point. Sorry, not trying to trash you.

[TypeZer0]

Originally posted by Murcielago659
Drifting IS powersliding. There is NO difference whatsoever, and anyone who tells you different is lying.

drifting is different from powersliding, powersliding is when ur rear comes loose while ur front still has traction. drifting is when all four wheels come loose and is more like a controlled skid (yeh i kno, oxymoron) the difference is drifting is graceful if u ever wtached a REAL drift such as the ones done by the top japanese drifters and powersliding is sorta effective but it's not too graceful

if u wanan do a powerslide, take a fwd or rwd car, get sum speed, make a turn and pull the parking brake, ur rear end will swing around quickly, it's good for negotiating hairpins. if u wanna drift, i say u watch the videos first before attempting cuz it's pretty dangerous

[PseduoRooter]

Typezero wrote:

drifting is different from powersliding, powersliding is when ur rear comes loose while ur front still has traction. drifting is when all four wheels come loose and is more like a controlled skid (yeh i kno, oxymoron) the difference is drifting is graceful if u ever wtached a REAL drift such as the ones done by the top japanese drifters and powersliding is sorta effective but it's not too graceful

You are describing basic car physics.

Oversteer is when your rear brakes loose traction before your fronts do eventually resulting in a spin out if uncorrected.

Understeer is caused when the angle of the front wheels is too great causing the front wheels to loose grip and results in the car continuing to go in a straight line and eventually hitting the wall.

Drifting is just like you said controlling the car to make it do both of the above things. Drifting involves precise throttle position as well as appropriate steering input, to control the varying degrees of over/understeer through a turn. So basically we are all talking about the same thing. We are just attaching terms to the definitions and confusing the issue.

[r34 racer]

I was always informed that the difference was as such:

Powersliding:
The car loses traction through a turn, moving at greater speed while negotiating a turn but NOT staying on a proper racing line. That is, the car will travel faster through the turn due to the high entry speed and tractionless slide through the corner. However, powerslides do not really require the same brake/throttle control as drifting, so the car will miss the apex and slide prematurely and permanently to the outside of the curve. While yielding higher entry and exit speeds, time is lost as the proper racing line is not followed, the apex is missed, and the car's dynamics at exit may not allow for proper entry into the next turn ahead.


Drifting:
Again, the car looses traction through a turn moving at greater speed than normal while managing to stay with a fruitful racing line throughout the turn using careful manipulation of power and brakes. Although the car is not taking a grip-based racing line, the drift line is very similar. The car will have a high entry speed, high speed throughout the corner, will stay on the inside of the corner through the apex of the turn, and will exit the corner at a higher speed on the proper line. The fact that the driver is actually controlling the angle and speed of the slide allows him/her to ensure the car goes where he wants, allowing him to set up for an approaching curve, as in a chicane or s-turn.



In layman's terms, the drift is more of control than the powerslide. A real easy way to comprehend the difference is to imagine a curve. The car that drifts will slide "inwards" to the apex of the curve, apparently defying its lack of traction, while the powersliding car will push "outwards" to the edge of the curve, missing the apex and the line.


I was informed of the difference by what i consider to be a real-life drifter.

[TypeZer0]

Originally posted by PseduoRooter
Typezero wrote:


You are describing basic car physics.

Oversteer is when your rear brakes loose traction before your fronts do eventually resulting in a spin out if uncorrected.

Understeer is caused when the angle of the front wheels is too great causing the front wheels to loose grip and results in the car continuing to go in a straight line and eventually hitting the wall.

Drifting is just like you said controlling the car to make it do both of the above things. Drifting involves precise throttle position as well as appropriate steering input, to control the varying degrees of over/understeer through a turn. So basically we are all talking about the same thing. We are just attaching terms to the definitions and confusing the issue.

yeh...but i just woke up when i typed that up so i kinda forgot to mention the understeer, oversteer adn the precise modulation of brake, steering, and throttle stuff but u covered it jsut nicely


on a side note i was being stupid on this highway on ramp a couple days ago and i decided to do some left foot braking on my car (automatic and fwd) and i broke my rear end free and my car did a poewr slide for about 10 feet before i corrected it cuz i dind't wanan slide into the car 20 feet ahead of me

[PseduoRooter]

You are still talking about oversteer/understeer and the lack of control or the proper control of such. The only racers that effectivly incorporate drifting techniques to win a race are rally racers and any other racing associated with dirt. Any Formula 1 racer who decides to "drift" the 6th turn at Azuka probably just got passed by several cars. And yes I know I just opened the Drift vs. Grip technique debate. Watch a race on TV sometime. Are they sliding through turns purposefully? Or are they taking the proper line, utilizing 100% of the traction available to them? I am not saying drifting is bad. Matter of fact, I like nothing beter than drifting corners, in GT3. Drifting a bit surely is not impossible. But if it is drifting you seek you would have a lot more fun with something bigger that you could actually tune the suspension on and learn the true art of what makes your car go around whatever track you are on the fastest.

Excellent topic/discussion btw.

[TypeZer0]

personally, since bits are so small and teh controls have a very slight delay (not as much as a digi-q tho) that i would much prefer doing grip driving when racing because even if u got the reflexes to react how quickly these bits move (i kno i dont) you can't feel what the car is trying to communicate to u like when ur in a real car so it's hard to control a drift if one can even manage to get a bit to drift properly. i like rally racing because most of the tracks force the drivers to drift the car or risk flying off the cliff, very exciting to watch on tv =) i rather watch drifting done on real cars in the show-off drift contests so popular in japan because those ppl have the skillz and talent to make something so hard to do seem so easy and graceful

[Murcielago659]

Originally posted by TypeZer0
if u wanan do a powerslide, take a fwd or rwd car, get sum speed, make a turn and pull the parking brake, ur rear end will swing around quickly, it's good for negotiating hairpins. if u wanna drift, i say u watch the videos first before attempting cuz it's pretty dangerous

Ok, what you're describing here is NOT a powerslide. Where's the power at? Powersliding is when you stomp the gas thru a corner to make the end come around. That's where the power is. I have seen real drifting, and I have seen powersliding. The only real difference is that the drifters can chain corners together, while powersliding is more along the lines of what bubba can do in his big-block camaro.

[TypeZer0]

gee, if power sliding is stomping the gas to swing the rear end around the corner then wtf are fwd drivers doing? u stomp on the gas on an fwd in a corner and ur gonna get mad understeer. yes u still need to give it gas to keep the speed up but for those who have fwd cars or those who have trouble using the throttle to break the rear end free, they need to pull the parking brake real quick to cause the rear end to lose traction and swing the rear end around

and drifting does not necessarily mean chaining a bunch of corners together, drifting can be done at one corner. the vids and pics i've seen of japanese drift contests focus solely on ONE corner of the track where the spectators and panel of judges are.