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MROSS 1 06-12-2009 01:00 AM

dNaNo Auto Scale Tire & Rim conversion
 
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arch2b you asked for me to post pics of the two dNaNo's I converted to the Auto Scale tires and rims. I must admit here that I tried and tried to post them then finally like any guy had my grilfriend ask for directions! just kidding! anyway maybe this time I will have it right. Now I know this is a dNaNo thread however I have seen Epochs mention so I hope you good folks don't mind I'm also adding some pictures of some 1/32 slotcars I converted to R/C using the Epoch Spec-2 chassis and in one photo I took two epoch engine mounts and glued them together to get the axle to axle the right lenght that's the Camero.

Then we went up to the Laser and Laser cut the mounting plate for the 65 Fastback. Don't know if anyone gives a hoot but I like them and so I don't leave out credit where credit is do LBRC machine the dual coreless motor on the Camero using a Mini-Lit dif and Mini-Lit hubs and bearings on a Epoch chassis. The Mustang has the Epoch hubs with bearings and a stock epoch motor. I converted about 10 different 1/32 slotcars using the Epoch chassis the ones I like the best have again LBRC's dual shootgun motors with LBRC turbo boards these were all 1/32 Scalextric and SCX NASCAR's what a blast

One last thing I'd like to say here is I've seen alot of aluminum rims folks are making or prototyping and so like our friend up in Santa Cruz who posted some cool looking rims his friend with a HAAS mill made him, I happen to have a friend with a HAAS milling machine and we have been working on Aluminum Rims that well take your Auto Scale tires. And my oh my how nice they are. Thats next. Oh and we are in production they will be ready for you folks who want to race your dNaNo with the tires off of your Auto Scale cars that just sit there now in about two weeks. The best thing I think is not only do they look good but going back to the Grip issue it makes a non-issue out of the situation and you won't need Plasti-Dip or any other home brew. again this is just my humble opinon. I will let you folks be the judge! Thanks again arch2b for asking me in!

MROSS 1 06-12-2009 01:19 AM

More tires and rims
 
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arch2b, here are a couple of more shots!

arch2b 06-12-2009 07:06 AM

thank you for posting! very interesting indeed.

fyi, please post continued pictures, etc. in the same initial post vs. creating new threads for each additional picture :)

MrNanoTrax 06-12-2009 12:35 PM

how do they cars run with the autoscale wheels/tires? i mean, they look good... but... performance wise? give us a lil more info if you don't mind :)

MROSS 1 06-12-2009 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by arch2b (Post 206213)
thank you for posting! very interesting indeed.

fyi, please post continued pictures, etc. in the same initial post vs. creating new threads for each additional picture :)

Hey arch2b I tried all night last night to post those shots together it would not let me. I would hit upload and the first one no-problem but when I tried to up-load the next one it would take me to a page that said this page not avalible. So if you want me to post all of them together please could you give me instructions on how that is done. Because I wanted to keep my word and post what I said I would post and I did not want to start I think it was 6 different threads. Hey and I really want to thank you for all the stuff you do on this forum great job! look forward to your instructions! Mike

fovea3d 06-12-2009 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by NanoTrax (Post 206215)
how do they cars run with the autoscale wheels/tires? i mean, they look good... but... performance wise? give us a lil more info if you don't mind :)

I did that but the asc tires are way to hard/slippery

http://alain.galluser.free.fr/Z/dnan...utoscale01.jpg
http://alain.galluser.free.fr/Z/dnan...utoscale05.jpg
http://alain.galluser.free.fr/Z/dnan...utoscale07.jpg

MROSS 1 06-12-2009 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by NanoTrax (Post 206215)
how do they cars run with the autoscale wheels/tires? i mean, they look good... but... performance wise? give us a lil more info if you don't mind :)

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Originally Posted by NanoTrax (Post 206215)
how do they cars run with the autoscale wheels/tires? i mean, they look good... but... performance wise? give us a lil more info if you don't mind :)

Hello and thank you for the question. (PLEASE READ ALL OF THIS BEFORE YOU ATTEMP THIS CONVERSION!!!) I could go on and on about how well these two cars handle yet it won't mean a thing. The only real way is for me to let you folks who check this forum out be the true judge of that. However I personally love them. I have both RCP and realtrack products. I, as I have said before in this forum, will sell my RCP to any of you who want it. I like them it's just I really like the realtracks way more and with the auto scale tires and rims I'm in heaven. Again that's just me!

The conversion is to me simple yet to someone else a great risk and after all the work one could end up with a wobbling monster on your hands or worse a car that does not handle worth a dam. Yet I think (Because I race on the realtracks and in my driveway) that this is by far the best handling and the most fun I have had since I bought the cars over a year ago. I bought the cars fron Jason's store online at ebay. when I recieved them I was so pissed about the wheel and rims I thought about sending them back.

Now I had converted some of our Epochs to NASCAR using 1/32 scalextric and SCX slotcars and had to do a wheel rim modification. So I felt that although much smaller and painfully aware of the potential risk if I scewed up, went ahead and took the plunge. Now I did those conversions pictured on this forum by hand even thought I own a milling machine and have friends who own comercial milling machines to see if anyone with a drill bit, a No. 11 exacto blade, utility knife and crazy glue could do the same. I found it somewhat difficult yet not impossible and with a good end mill or a drill bit with a flat end or cutting surface, chucked up in any drill press, one can do this almost blindfolded.

I start by cutting the auto scale tires and rim from its chassie then I took a drill bit a little smaller than the inside diamiter of the rim in question (in this case the 787B and the 926), in hand and slowly cut away the inner part of the rim until I had cut it almost to the back of the face of the auto scale rim. Now with a regular drill bit it leaves a concave cut and the final material has to be removed to get the inner part or back of the auto scale rim flat as possible. To accomplih this I used a No. 11 exacto blade and a Flat round wood dowel with 150 gritt sand paper cut in the round and glued to the end of this round dowel. One of the tools I forgot to mention. The other tool that would work well here if you plan to do this by hand is a round dremel stone grinding bit with a flat end. Anyway after getting it as flat as possible I then did the one thing that scared me and as mention before took the plunge literally and used the foremention utility cutter to cut lose the spoke section from the outer stock rim. This is the hardest part for you have to cut each spoke the same lenght and the reason as stated before, the painful part, is to your wallet when you mess this up. Because not done correctly the finished tire will wobble and now you have to basically start over the entire operation to drill out the auto scale rim that you just glued the converted stock rim into. Not to mention that now you have to buy more stock rims.

However if you are careful and take great care and use a very sharp brand new utility blade or a number 11 blade (because I tried using both) and both will work, you end up with a fairly even spoke assembly that fits neatly into the back of the Auto Scale Rims. Now you must drill the center of the Auto scale rim before you glue your precut or converted stock rim into the back of it. Again I did this by hand, yet a drill press would be way easier and much more accurate, yet I did it so I will assume any of you can do it as well or better than I. This hole is so you can use the screw provided to attach your stock rims and believe it or not, it works if all the other steps are done correctly. Now I took the stock inner rim and sanded the face of the rim as much as I dare this helps for the final offset and provides a larger gluing area. Then you take a little crazy glue a put a little on some waxed face cardboard or like the cardboard cut from a cereal box or any cardboard packaging that is waxy in its feel. Ater you spread the crazy glue out as even as you can take the Spoke rim and dip it into this spread out glue and then put it into the back of the auto scal rim. Now I'm assuming you have teat fit this stock converted rim into the back of your finished auto scale rim. Now this is where you don't have much time to work and you need to center this stock converted rim into the auto scale rim. I think I like the crazy glue because it's face yet if you don't want to chance anything the use a two part epoxy say a 6 minute epoxy this will give you plenty of time to position or center the stock converted rim into the back of the auto scale rim. whoa that was hard to write!

Now the next item I had to buy to finish this was the smallest of all the offsets front and rear I think its for one of the other dNaNo's there is that chart which I don't have anymore yet I'm sure one of you folks can jump in here and give the part number. This is nesscary to get the final offset correct so the tires are not rubbing on the wheel wells and obiviuosly so you can turn the front wheels without rubbing.

Now this is really going to piss some of you folks off yet I wrote this whole thing because some of you like me have zero money left after we mortgaged our house to pay for our dNaNo's yet I would be derelict in my duty to you wonderful folks not to mention this. If you don't want to go throught all of the crap i had to to convert your auto scale rims and tires read on..... my friend has a HAAS milling machine like our other forum guest in Santa Cruz and we went down two days ago and milled out rims for the 787 and the 962 that will bolt right on and all you have to do is pull your auto scale tires off of the auto scale rims and you will have what you see in the pics I provided here. Yet the rims we came up with are, well again this is my opinon, way cool and Oh My God a blast to drive. We will be in full production in one week and selling them in two. As to price well as our friend in Santa Cruz is looking into we want everyone to be able to afford them and like our friends in Santa Cruz you have to make money to keep them going, I would hope that we can beat the Kyosho price they are charging for replacement rims. also we will do all of the auto scale tires and rims so one can look cool and still have the handling experience we all want and deserve at these prices.

Thanks again to Nano Trax for the question and I hope this well help others who might have questions here about the Auto Scale Conversions. I want to offer any help to anyone who wants to try what I did here I'm usally home because I work out of my home so I'm including my Phone number here for those of you who think I'm crazy or full of it to help all I can (805) 922-0881

MROSS 1 06-12-2009 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by fovea3d (Post 206218)

Hello Fovea3d, I have been racing the dNaNo's I converted out on my cement driveway for about 7 months as stated and I think that by the time I got the realtracks set the tires were worn enough to work for me. try this grab a picece of 150 gritt sand paper and turn you dNaNo on with the auto scale tires and rims on it and starting with the rear tires lightly touch the tires as you punch the gas. then rotate the tires and do the same for the fronts, leave it on there for say a minute maybe less then try driving it you might find it works.. maybe not. I know I love them on my cars and would never go back to the other rims and tires. Or find a smothe cement area and drive the heck out of it and I promise that worked for me when it comes to the 787 and the 962. By the way you did a great job on yours, they look great. Let me know if I can be of any help...(805) 922-0881 ask for Mike

arch2b 06-12-2009 04:42 PM

thank you very much for th detailed response.

be sure to post a new thread for the custom milled wheels :) i know i'm interested.

fovea3d 06-12-2009 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MROSS 1 (Post 206220)
Hello Fovea3d, I have been racing the dNaNo's I converted out on my cement driveway for about 7 months as stated and I think that by the time I got the realtracks set the tires were worn enough to work for me. try this grab a picece of 150 gritt sand paper and turn you dNaNo on with the auto scale tires and rims on it and starting with the rear tires lightly touch the tires as you punch the gas. then rotate the tires and do the same for the fronts, leave it on there for say a minute maybe less then try driving it you might find it works.. maybe not. I know I love them on my cars and would never go back to the other rims and tires. Or find a smothe cement area and drive the heck out of it and I promise that worked for me when it comes to the 787 and the 962. By the way you did a great job on yours, they look great. Let me know if I can be of any help...(805) 922-0881 ask for Mike

Thanks for the tip MROSS. I forgot to mention that we race on a carpet track, though these tires may be OK on cement floor or even the realtracks I keep using the standard wheels with rubber tires or foams (unfortunately the groove on the asc wheels won't let you mount these).
Thanks. Fov.

MROSS 1 06-12-2009 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by fovea3d (Post 206224)
Thanks for the tip MROSS. I forgot to mention that we race on a carpet track, though these tires may be OK on cement floor or even the realtracks I keep using the standard wheels with rubber tires or foams (unfortunately the groove on the asc wheels won't let you mount these).
Thanks. Fov.

Hey fov, what grove do you mean? I'm assuming you mean the ASC tires and the grove that is in the tire is that right? Please let me know. thanks, mross 1

fovea3d 06-12-2009 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by MROSS 1 (Post 206226)
Hey fov, what grove do you mean? I'm assuming you mean the ASC tires and the grove that is in the tire is that right? Please let me know. thanks, mross 1

Yes sure, I meant the system with a ridge on the wheel + a groove on the tire make it difficult to use other tires.

MROSS 1 06-13-2009 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MROSS 1 (Post 206226)
Hey fov, what grove do you mean? I'm assuming you mean the ASC tires and the grove that is in the tire is that right? Please let me know. thanks, mross 1

Hey Fov, Thanks for the reply! One other question are your conversions using the Auto Scale Rims? Thanks in advance! mross 1

fovea3d 06-13-2009 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by MROSS 1 (Post 206244)
Hey Fov, Thanks for the reply! One other question are your conversions using the Auto Scale Rims? Thanks in advance! mross 1

Yep. I did the simple route, actually it was only a test, nothing serious: just shoved the inner section of the wheel flat (to the correct "offset") and drilled a hole. I even did not make "pegs", in fact when the screw is tight the rim would not slip on the axle.
I am more interested in alloy wheels and got a set of AVM's but I wait for more from other manufacturers.

MROSS 1 06-17-2009 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by fovea3d (Post 206245)
Yep. I did the simple route, actually it was only a test, nothing serious: just shoved the inner section of the wheel flat (to the correct "offset") and drilled a hole. I even did not make "pegs", in fact when the screw is tight the rim would not slip on the axle.
I am more interested in alloy wheels and got a set of AVM's but I wait for more from other manufacturers.

By the way if I forgot that is one cool looking ride you have pictured there. One other question, are those the Autoscale rims that came with your body? Thanks in advance! mross 1


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