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hogjowlz

03-06-2003 09:40 AM

messing with gearsets is pretty much pointless. keep the stock ones on.

have you put a second battery in? your car aint nothing until you do.

rwinder

03-06-2003 09:43 AM

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Originally posted by hogjowlz
actually the motors that come with the cheap clones tend to crush anything that tomy makes. the cars might be as good but the motors sure as hell are. also pullback wheels will give you more low end.

Thanks hog...do you have some suggestions as to clone motors that are torquey? I have considered butchering a couple of LXX cars to make this locomotive, using dual cells and dual motors. What kind of aftermarket motors would you suggest (ones that are packaged seperately from a car "kit"?

rwinder

03-06-2003 09:47 AM

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Originally posted by hogjowlz
messing with gearsets is pretty much pointless. keep the stock ones on.

have you put a second battery in? your car aint nothing until you do.

hog...I have not recieved the MS yet...and I will use two batteries if it gains me torque, but I have to be concerned with speed. This needs to be low speed/high torque.

Thanks for the suggestions.

hogjowlz

03-06-2003 09:50 AM

why low speed?
i go for high speed/high torque/great handling

rwinder

03-06-2003 09:50 AM

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Originally posted by Pie
dont go for the 1.0... it's pretty weak the way it's been designed... the KIT racer 2.2 is one VERY torquey motor, or some clone motors, and im not too sure, but i think the 1.6 is a very torquey motor too...

Thanks Pie...I will try the 1.6 motor(s).

hogjowlz

03-06-2003 09:53 AM

buy any "super racing" "panther" "shen que wei" "cyclona" or whatever they all have better motors than tomy. especially in the torque department.

Namuna

03-06-2003 10:09 AM

Re: I need torque, not speed!

- 12:1 Gearset, "Torquiest" for sure
- 1.0 or 1.6 definitely as the motor (no need for a BULLET train right?)
- Consider getting a Booster car! When you're first pulling out of the Station (from a standstill) you can jam the boost button until you get a steady run going and then let it go back to unboosted for normal travel.

In Boosted mode, the PCB lets through a good amount more current (which equates to torque) vs. a stock MS

This sounds like a fun project for you and your young'un...Good luck with it!

rwinder

03-06-2003 10:11 AM

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Originally posted by TypeZer0
here's an idea that i've seen a few people do that i woudl love to do if i had the time, skill, and parts. cut off the engine assembly from another bit (or a cheap clone), cut it right along the wall that separates the battery/pcb section and the engine. then cut off the tab on your microsizer then attach the engine assembly from the clone to the microsizer with super glue, epoxy, or whatever you prefer.before gluing, make sure that when the microsizer is placed on its 6 wheels, that all 6 wheels touch the ground. then wire the 2nd motor in parallel, which you could do by running a wire from the motor contacts on the microsizer to the motor contacts on the 2nd engine assembly (hope that makes sense). then do a dual cell mod and that shoudl give it enough juice to run both motors. use same speed motors.if you got a voltmeter, use it to check the connections for your second motor. i'm pretty sure there's a picture of a dual motor somewhere in this forum. and 6 wheels looks better on a locomotive than 4 anyway :)

Thanks Type...this is probably the route I will be going. Fabricating a fake axle that does not drive was a dumb idea on my part. Will probably find a couple of LXX clones, make it dual motor/dual battery (maybe need to Pot the speed down some.)

rwinder

03-06-2003 10:13 AM

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Originally posted by mobokseven
try the dual cell. Also think about adding a second motor. Mine is not as fast as some of my single motor cars, but it has a lot of torque.

Thanks mo...this is the route I will probably go.

hogjowlz

03-06-2003 10:19 AM

my apologies

i didnt read about your train getup. i would suggest finding "thunderbolt" racing cars or the "thor" ones that aint yellow. they have hardwired motors that are exactly what you are looking for. high torque with absolutly horrible top end. two of them with two batteries will let you pull just about anything.

rwinder

03-06-2003 10:25 AM

Re: Re: I need torque, not speed!

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Originally posted by Namuna
- 12:1 Gearset, "Torquiest" for sure
- 1.0 or 1.6 definitely as the motor (no need for a BULLET train right?)
- Consider getting a Booster car! When you're first pulling out of the Station (from a standstill) you can jam the boost button until you get a steady run going and then let it go back to unboosted for normal travel.

In Boosted mode, the PCB lets through a good amount more current (which equates to torque) vs. a stock MS

This sounds like a fun project for you and your young'un...Good luck with it!

Thanks Namuna...I wonder "how" the Boosted mode works technically. Could a person put a dual motor/dual battery on a Booster car (with low gears) and get the same effect of torque-boost from both motors and batteries? Does any of the LXX clone line (to save on cost and not screwing up a original Tomy/MS car) have a boost mode that is effective?
Last question. Is there any way to boost current directly from the PCB rather than relying on a second battery for the current boost (a second battery, I'm guessing, also increases speed, along with torque)?

rwinder

03-06-2003 10:34 AM

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Originally posted by hogjowlz
why low speed?
i go for high speed/high torque/great handling

Hog...thanks again for the responses...the train locomotive needs to be relatively slow to stay on the wooden track. The track (which is a Brio/Thomas the Tank Engine type) has a pair of fairly shallow grooves and the curves have no banking, so slow speed is necessary to keep the train on the track. Handling is not important except that it must be able to turn at a track crossover to get to a secondary part of the track. I figure the steering must move 15 to 20 degrees in order to get the locomotive to switch tracks.

rwinder

03-06-2003 10:37 AM

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Originally posted by hogjowlz
my apologies

i didnt read about your train getup. i would suggest finding "thunderbolt" racing cars or the "thor" ones that aint yellow. they have hardwired motors that are exactly what you are looking for. high torque with absolutly horrible top end. two of them with two batteries will let you pull just about anything.

Thanks Hog, this is the stuff I'm looking for. Appreciate your direction.

Namuna

03-06-2003 10:49 AM

I have the 350z booster and ran tests on it...If you want to know 'how' a booster works, check out the thread:
http://tinyrc.com/forums/showthread....&threadid=8881

hogjowlz

03-06-2003 10:50 AM

heres a link to some thunderbolts

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